I always finish my weight sessions with a 5-6 minute hill run on the treadmill. Should I not be doing this then? I feel that 5 min isn't really long enough to negatively affect the muscles and it's good to get the blood pumping through the legs which in the long run should aid in recovery and muscle building.

I can see what you mean about not doing high intensity cardio after weights though. Makes sense in a way.

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Originally posted by echosystm Please, use, commas, correctly, instead, of, this, crazy, insanity, ridiculousness. 5X5 is stupid and will rape your joints. Ask anyone who's been into bodybuilding more than 5 years and you will get the same answer. Don't do it. 8-12 reps is where you want to be. When you stack on a large amount of weight and do few reps, your cartilage and tendons take too much of the load. This will leave you with a significantly higher risk of arthritis and so on, later in life. It's not worth it. 5X5 advocates always say "your body will adapt and your joints will just get stronger". This is a fucking stupid. Firstly, many types of cartilage recover/heal/grow at such a slow rate that they basically just wear down over your life. Secondly, muscles grow at a MUCH faster rate than tendons. This is why you often hear of roid boys snapping tendons - their muscles grow too fast and their tendons can't take the load. When you're doing 5X5, you're already stressing your joints to the extreme. Once your muscles start developing out of proportion to your joints, you will do damage. You should avoid doing cardio and weights on the same day, or at least do cardio in the morning and weights in the afternoon. Both cardio and weights deplete glycogen too much and leave you with no buffer for doing further activity. This is terrible advice. Weights not only deplete glycogen, but they rip up your muscles and put your body in a state of repair. Doing cardio in this state will do nothing but inhibit recovery and therefore growth. As soon as you finish weights, you should have carbs and protein and then rest. Carbs elevate your blood sugar level. In combination with the protein, this makes your pancreas release insulin. The insulin carries the sugar in your blood to your muscles, replenishing the glycogen and kick starting your recovery. The sooner this happens, the better you heal and the bigger your muscles grow.

Thank u captain obvious. I'm well aware of the biochemistry...I only have a degree in it. I never said do a marathon cardio session, and I would never do cardio if I worked my entire body. I do a 4 day split and ride a bike or elliptical afterwards, and I don't do cardio after legs day. cardio increases blood flow to your worked muscles and helps to kickstart recovery. I don't do heavy cardio and never will, as there is no need. Trainers always set it up this way. If u think that's terrible advice then u need to go back and do some reading. I'm shredded so I must know a little something about this stuff

BTW Low impact cardio does not burn up glycogen. That is what the weight training does. HIIT does.

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Originally posted by Fledz I always finish my weight sessions with a 5-6 minute hill run on the treadmill. Should I not be doing this then? I feel that 5 min isn't really long enough to negatively affect the muscles and it's good to get the blood pumping through the legs which in the long run should aid in recovery and muscle building. I can see what you mean about not doing high intensity cardio after weights though. Makes sense in a way.

If you're cutting, you should really avoid doing too much in one hit. You gotta remember that, when you are already in a calorie deficit, you're not giving your body much to work with. You're obviously much better off doing a bit, recovering, then doing a bit more. Doing AM/PM workouts is good when you are cutting, just make sure you carb up in the morning and give your body a bit of time to process it, before you do anything too intense.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY BTW Low impact cardio does not burn up glycogen. That is what the weight training does. HIIT does.

Everything burns up glycogen. Energy doesn't just come from nowhere.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY I never said do a marathon cardio session, and I would never do cardio if I worked my entire body. I do a 4 day split and ride a bike or elliptical afterwards, and I don't do cardio after legs day. I don't do heavy cardio and never will, as there is no need.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY If you are weight training on said day, u should do 5-10 mins of cardio as a warm up, then lift, then a regular cardio session.

I I I I... We're not talking about you. You never told him the conditions of your advice, which would be incorrect under most circumstances (eg. the typical moderate intensity cardio session that most people would consider to be "regular"). If he listened to your advice, he would have ended up doing squats and jumping on an exercise bike 5 minutes later.

More to the point, why do light (pointless) cardio after weights (in a state of recovery), when you could do it at another time and actually get some benefit out of it?

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY cardio increases blood flow to your worked muscles

...At the expense of getting food into you. I don't see how this is less important than some trivial increase in blood flow. This "light cardio" you speak of is unlikely to raise your heart rate enough to make a big difference. It's not like your veins close up just because you haven't done cardio.

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Originally posted by echosystm Everything burns up glycogen. Energy doesn't just come from nowhere. I I I I... We're not talking about you. You never told him the conditions of your advice, which would be incorrect under most circumstances (eg. the typical moderate intensity cardio session). If he listened to your advice, he would have ended up doing squats and jumping on an exercise bike 5 minutes later. More to the point, why do light (pointless) cardio after weights (in a state of recovery), when you could do it at another time and actually get some benefit out of it? ...At the expense of getting food into you. I don't see how this is less important than some trivial increase in blood flow. This "light cardio" you speak of is unlikely to raise your heart rate enough to make a big difference. It's not like your veins close up just because you haven't done cardio.

Well don't come in here saying I give terrible advice u tool. He's not training to be the next Jay Cutler either...u.u.u. I'd love to see u do squats after a nice cardio session, lmao. Are u a juicer? an hr is fine after an intense workout of not eating. After that then it could be detrimental. I agree with doing cardio by itself or hours before or after, but there is benefit to doing 15-30 mins of low sustained cardio after a workout. Doing it before results in an awful weight training session. Thought this would be obvious.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY Doing it before results in an awful weight training session. Thought this would be obvious.

At no point did I say he should do it immediately beforehand...

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Originally posted by echosystm You should avoid doing cardio and weights on the same day, or at least do cardio in the morning and weights in the afternoon. Both cardio and weights deplete glycogen too much and leave you with no buffer for doing further activity.

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Originally posted by echosystm Going to failure isn't always the best approach, it's just the most satisfying

I'm not trying for failure, I'm trying to avoid it. Which means I put off switching up the weights on the bench press unless I'm totally sure I won't fail and strangle myself. With any other exercise I can switch up the weights to really push myself, and if I fail then I just drop the weights and nobody gets hurt.

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Originally posted by Chris Crossland I start P90X Tomorrow! Well, today according to the time. I've gained around 20lbs since i got out of the corps. I look at food and gain weight so it's time BRING IT! Lol.

fatty!

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Originally posted by Chris Crossland I start P90X Tomorrow! Well, today according to the time. I've gained around 20lbs since i got out of the corps. I look at food and gain weight so it's time BRING IT! Lol.

Lets trade. I can't gain weight for the life of me

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Originally posted by tubularbills fatty!

Yeah, yeah but not in 3 months!!!

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Originally posted by Saint John Lets trade. I can't gain weight for the life of me

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