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Originally posted by skip can anyone recommend me any good free software synths to help me key my tracks? thanks.

Do you mean software that keys them for you? There is some but it's better and more accurate if you can do it yourself. A java piano works fine for that: CLICKY

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Originally posted by est Do you mean software that keys them for you? There is some but it's better and more accurate if you can do it yourself. A java piano works fine for that: CLICKY

i mean a software piano, not something that keys for me. i asked my friend to teach me how to key tunes when we were both very drunk and i showed him the rapid evolution program and the piano it has and he thought it was absolute crap and that i couldn't learn anything with that!
so now i'm after a good software piano that would be much better to key my tracks with and i'd rather use software than some java piano on a website if possible. thanks

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Originally posted by skip i mean a software piano, not something that keys for me. i asked my friend to teach me how to key tunes when we were both very drunk and i showed him the rapid evolution program and the piano it has and he thought it was absolute crap and that i couldn't learn anything with that! so now i'm after a good software piano that would be much better to key my tracks with and i'd rather use software than some java piano on a website if possible. thanks

Fair enough...I don't know anything about that though! A java piano is more than enough to key a tune though, as all you need is the pitch of a note. I do it with just a tuning fork when i can't be bothered to load up java (in fact I'm usually spot on or just a semitone out when I try keying just by aural guesswork alone).

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Originally posted by est Fair enough...I don't know anything about that though! A java piano is more than enough to key a tune though, as all you need is the pitch of a note. I do it with just a tuning fork when i can't be bothered to load up java (in fact I'm usually spot on or just a semitone out when I try keying just by aural guesswork alone).

that's nice! i wish i had musical talent, but i have none whatsoever! my friend tried to explain to me how i would go on about keying my tracks and i didn't understand any of it. he keyed a couple in no time and i didn't get it at all. although we both were very drunk at the time, but i'm pretty sure he really has to sit down with me and tell me what i'm doing wrong and what i should be doing. i was just thinking that it could be nice to get a good software piano so we'd get started right away and properly.

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Originally posted by skip that's nice! i wish i had musical talent, but i have none whatsoever! my friend tried to explain to me how i would go on about keying my tracks and i didn't understand any of it. he keyed a couple in no time and i didn't get it at all. although we both were very drunk at the time, but i'm pretty sure he really has to sit down with me and tell me what i'm doing wrong and what i should be doing. i was just thinking that it could be nice to get a good software piano so we'd get started right away and properly.

hehe i dont think it takes talent, like you say just needs someone to sit down and show you how its done. If you don't already know, you need to figure out the note names for keyboards.

You're basically looking for the note that fits the piece the best (just play around until you get it). That's what the key will be named after, then figure out whether its major or minor (90% of EDM is minor, but don't assume that all your tunes are!).

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Originally posted by est hehe i dont think it takes talent, like you say just needs someone to sit down and show you how its done. If you don't already know, you need to figure out the note names for keyboards. You're basically looking for the note that fits the piece the best (just play around until you get it). That's what the key will be named after, then figure out whether its major or minor (90% of EDM is minor, but don't assume that all your tunes are!).

yeah, i know that's how it's supposed to be done, but they all sound like shit to me! dunno what i should really listen to there, but i hope i'll get it after my friend sits down with me and tells me what to really listen to.

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Originally posted by skip yeah, i know that's how it's supposed to be done, but they all sound like shit to me! dunno what i should really listen to there, but i hope i'll get it after my friend sits down with me and tells me what to really listen to.

It will often be the note that the bassline is on (if it moves around then its generally the one that hits on the first beat of the bar). Not always though! I honestly don't think I'm a very good person to explain this though, as it comes naturally to me and i can't remember a point in my life when I didn't know how to key a tune!

I only recently (3/4 weeks ago) started to do my tracks, and at first I found it really dificult to hear what I was supposed to, it took me many attempts to get each tune, playing it over and over, but as I went on I found it much easier and have now done 75% of my tracks. I am now at a point where I can hear approx what key it is in and use that as a starting point.
It is probably not going to help you me saying that, but if you keep plugging away at it, you'll begin to get a grasp of what to do. At first it was driving me nuts, but now I'm good. (except for the occasional track).
I'm not sure it will help you if someone shows you as someone tried to show me, I had to get my head around it myself.
In terms of an instrument, if you have a sequencer and a softsynth, you could make up a little sequence that you can play notes from, then transpose it up the scale. A bit fiddly though. Much easier with a keybord of some sort (midi keyboard to control soft synth - or just plain hardware instrument)

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Originally posted by skip can anyone recommend me any good free software synths to help me key my tracks? thanks.

Go to this website http://www.djprince.no/ and at the right you will find a folder that says DJ Software.
There you can download a software that i's called Zonamix.

It is not exactly aPiano, it's just a board that have the Keys on it, so you just lcik the keys and you hear their sound.

I do this to key my tracks (I started about 1 or 2 months ago), some tracks I can get them keys in 10 seconds, some tracks take me minutes, and some tracks take me days, but almost All of them I can key them.

I also use Mixmeister and [[ LINK REMOVED ]]


Mixmeister is a software for Djing that can calculate the Key of a track, although this is not 100 %, So I just use it as reference.
for exampel if it tells that some song it's in Am, Iw ill go to the ZONAMIx software, and play the Am , to see if it match witht he track.
I never get them keyed based on what the software says, you always have to check.
in Mixshare.com, there is people that key their songs, and add them to a database, so you can take this as reference also.
I also add my songs to the mixmeister databse, that way I have a record of what are the key of my songs, in case they got lost, at least I don't have to key them again.

For me it's bene working great.

just sit down and play with it.

They ZONAMIZ have 24 Keys, at the left you see the Major KLeys, and at the right are th eminor Keys.

as Electronic music it's over 90% in Minor Keys, I always try to find the key first on the minor keys, if nothign really sounds good to me then I try to play the major keys.

Also when Keying, I use the Camelot Easymix system, and when I find a key, I play the Relative Major, and the Perfect 4th and perfect 5th. They all have to sound good.


to find the perfect 4th and perfecht fifth ont he Zonamix is very easy, you just need to count 5 steps down and you get the perfect 4th, and if you count 7 steps down, you will get the Perfect 5th.


That's how it works for me so far.

Hope this helps you
Thanks.

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thanks everyone! i know what i'm supposed to do, but i'm just not able to do it (yet at least).
and i'll look into those programs Pinokio, thanks.

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Originally posted by skip thanks everyone! i know what i'm supposed to do, but i'm just not able to do it (yet at least). and i'll look into those programs Pinokio, thanks.

Good Luck =)

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Here are my latest mixes:
Pepa - Pure Bliss (June 2007 Promo)
Pepa - Visual Thoughts (March 2007 Promo)
Pepa - Trippin' Again

Mash-ups:
Perasma Vs BT - Swing 2 Gravity (Pepa Live Mash-up)
I Trance You!