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Originally posted by Freak Random ramblings time..... TBH I have my cdjs.....I also have a 100Mbps broadband connection, but im still buying more vinyl than ever. Just placed an order for 5 double/triple Lps a couple of mins ago actually. I find beatport annoying with their selection. Im very eclectic- and hop genres a lot to mix and match. They 99% of the time dont have what im after. yet i can go online or to record stores and have the 12" on my doorstep within 24 hours. Same with other sites. As much as a bonus 'free' downloadable cd sticker/sleeve moistens my pants, its still boring. Cost is not so important. I dont and never have based my enjoyment of something on its cost. The satisfaction of downloading a track vs biying a record is comparable to having a wank vs having sex.....both good and both give satisfaction, but one leaves you feeling kind of empty and perhaps thinking 'is that it?' Thats my personal take on it. Buying a cd is nice- but downloading/burning one just honestly bores me to shit.I also find i listen to them and they sound....well...a bit lifeless. Another big thing is I simply cannot be arsed to go through the hassle of transferring stuff from vinyl to cd. Bores me like watching paint evolve and is so time consuming. Time that could be used productively. I guess its the collector in me showing through- im more than a dj. Truth be told, 99% of the records i buy i never play out- they are bought for my enjoyment and collectability. Thats something digital can never replace. I just like the physical product, the artwork and the hands on feel. Plus- in the event of nuclear armageddon, I will still be able to play my vinyl......even on an old wind up gramaphone or similar home made contraption salvaged from the burng ashes of civilization. cd players, pcs and the majority of electrical equipment wont work due to the EMP I may have radiation poisoning and no hair, but at least I will be able to slip on some LPS for background music. Or dj at the radioactive mutants rave. Morbid/luddite food for thought

Great post

can someone please explain to me in detail the difference between wav and mp3 when downloading choons, thanks

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Originally posted by starboy can someone please explain to me in detail the difference between wav and mp3 when downloading choons, thanks

I am very bored so I will.
Here is how cd works:

Cd is not continious sound. Its frames of sound next to each other.
Imagine it as a cartoon that is made up of pictures.
These pictures use binary code to express amplitude, frequency ect..
So you get 44.100 little samples every second that are next to each other.
We need 44.100 because we as humans at best can hear up to 20.000 hz.
To express 20 k you need 40 k samples.
Why it's up to 44.1 is a math thing
Between those samples there is nothing.
But because there are so many our ears perceive it as continious sound

Evey little sample has 16 bits that are either 1 (voltage) or 0 (no fucking voltage)
Here is a random example of one little sample :
0 ---------------------------0
1 -------------------------- 1
1 -------------------------- 0
0 8 bits --------------------1
1 -------------------------- 1
0 ---------------------------0
1 -------------------------- 1
1 ---------------------------1
-----+--(here there is nothing
0 -------untill the other.----1
1 --------little sample!-----1
1 --------------------------- 0
1 ----------------------------1
1 8 bits ---------------------1
1---------------------------- 0
1---------------------------- 1
1---------------------------- 1

= 16 bits 44.100 time every second

Now if you multiply 16 bits X 44.100 X 2 (because you are listening in stereo) you get = 1411.2 kbit/s for a cd (wave/aiff).



Now with mp3 the Bitrate is limited to a maximum of 320 kbit/sTime resolution you get shitty trancient responce and there is no scale factor band for frequencies above 15.5/15.8 kHz.
Get mp3s as long as they are free. Free always sounds better
If you are paying for the shit get wave.
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Vinyl pressed off digital audio at 24 bit 96k
4608 kbits per second but also noise

cd quality
1411.2kbits per second but very quiet

mp3

320 kbits/s (4 to 1 compression) but free
256 kbits/s(6 to 1 )
192 kbts/s (6 to 1 )
128 kbits/s (10 to 1)

Hope this helps

Last edited by harriz on Jul-11-2006 at 20:16

^ My eyes does wav change pitch at all like when ripping vinyl to cd it tends to be a little faster towards the end of a track.. noob Q i know but answer!! thanks

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Originally posted by starboy ^ My eyes does wav change pitch at all like when ripping vinyl to cd it tends to be a little faster towards the end of a track.. noob Q i know but answer!! thanks

No it doesn't. Unless it was ripped on vinyl.
If it's off the master it will not.
It will just be a more accurate representation of what the artist wanted it to sound like in the studio.
For example if this pic of oakey , staring away from the camera, is a wave file


This would be the mp3 version of it:

Thanks, i will turn to TA instead of friends for advise in the future

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Originally posted by harriz No it doesn't. Unless it was ripped on vinyl. If it's off the master it will not. It will just be a more accurate representation of what the artist wanted it to sound like in the studio. For example if this pic of oakey , staring away from the camera, is a wave file This would be the mp3 version of it:

Very nice example!

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That's a really good example of how digital will degrade the more you compress it.

I think it would also be fair to say that the CD vs Vinyl discussion is pretty much dead.
Nobody really cares anymore and the few that do seem to base it on what you could say backward arguements.

It seems that the discussion is still very much alive when it comes to Vinyl and CD vs mp3.

It's also an interesting theory that suggests you may actually get a split in the dance culture itself where you get the Ableton performers branching off and doing their own thing.

It's also stated that every 20 years or so you get the next big thing. Based on this you can ask yourself if Ableton is it? To be fair it has the potential as it's a great tool and the boundries could be pushed further in the hands of a musician as soon as we break out of the existing mould that dance music has had for nearly 20 years.

On the downside, we live in a very media orientated world and are spoon fed disposable music that the industry feels safe to sell to us. With the internet the choice of small genres also limits the mass appeal of something unless it's earthshattering...

The bottom line is that we need to change the world with something. It's all out there... so what are you going to do?

Cheers
Nem

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can you rename the post so its vinyl vs cd vs laptops ?

I perfer Vinyl. It sounds better, and I have turntables.

I perfer Vinyl. It sounds better, and I have turntables.