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qualia
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djprince,

what i post is not propaganda at all!! i have posted my results clearly and would be happy if people confirm them. i'm not trying to be subjective or misrepresent any program. i'm just the only one who's taken the initiative to find the songs and compare the programs. please show me where i am wrong, otherwise please don't make these accusations.

the only reason i've spoke poorly about mixed in key is that they make false claims about it being 95% accurate, with no proof to back it up. there is also this false reasoning that because the key detection is made by a "large and respected company", that it's better and there's no need to prove it. i don't understand why you give mixed in key so much praise when rapid evolution has all of the features, and more. it might not have been as good in the past, but it's clear now it has the most accurate key detection.

otherwise, i'm happy to see more programs dedicated to harmonic mixing. there has been a lot of misinformation spreading around, and i simply wanted to get the straight facts on how accurate all of these key detection programs were. i think the facts are all that should matter here.

i think if anything, you have a special bias towards mixed in key, as when i visit djprince.no i see advertisements about mixed in key... wouldn't you prefer to have some hard evidence to back what you say?

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qualia
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here are my results, this is not propaganda at all... geez.

the format is: song title -> camelot key -> re2 result -> mm6 -> mm5 -> mixedinkey

Adkins, Trace - Honky Tonk Badonkadonk ('70s Groove Mix) 9A 9A 9A 9A X:11B
Amuka - I Want More (Joe Bermudez & Klubjumpers Mix) 11A 11A 11A 11A 11A
Andy Hunter - To Life To Love (Cedric Gervais Remix - Vocal Club) 5A 5A 5A 5A 5A
Anoushka Shankar - Beloved (Karsh Kale Remix) 11A 3A 11A 11A X:3A
Atfc - Spread Love (Vocal Love Mix) 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A
Atomic Swindlers - Diamond Dreamer (Julian Marsh Power Drive Mix) 4A 4A 4A 4A X:7B
B.G. Ft. Mannie Fresh - Move Around 6A 5A 6A 6A 6A
Big World - Me Gusta (Original Mix) 8B 6A X:6A X:6A X:6B
Bionik Phunk (Sugar Caine Presents) - In My Head (ATFC's Timmy's In My Head Remix) 5A 6A X:8A X:8A X:7B
Bitter:sweet - The Mating Game (Kraak & Smaak Remix) 8A 8A 8A 8A 8A
Bon Jovi - Who Says You Can't Go Home 9B 9B C:8A C:8A 9B
Bravo Mike Ft. Monica Lynk - Someone Like U (New Jersey Mix) 12A 11A C:1A C:1A C:11B
Braxe, Alan & Fred Falke & Savage - Bliss (Original Mix) 9A 9A X:7A X:7A 9A
Bump - House Stompin 06 (Steve Travell and Andy Jones Bump 06 Mix) 4A 4A 4A 4A X:7B
Carey, Mariah Ft. Snoop Dogg - Say Somethin' 12B 1A X:9A X:9A C:11B
Casino - Running on Back to You (Idc Remix) 6A 6A 6A 6A X:9B
Clarkson, Kelly - Walk Away (Craig J Big Love Mixshow) 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A
Codex - Burn (Original Mix) 5A 5A 5A 5A X:8B
Coldplay - Talk (Francois Kevorkian Remix) 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A
Cox, Carl - Give Me Your Love (Valentino Kanzyani Extended reMix) 3A 3A X:1A X:1A 3A
D'mantra, Dan - Shaker (Stroud Remix) 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A
Da Muzicianz Ft. Mr. Collipark - Camera Phone (PO Clean Edit) 6A 6A 6A 6A 6A
De No, Angelica - Again (Klubjumpers Club Mix) 4A 4A 4A 4A X:7B
Dina Vass and Association - Let You Get Away (Original Mix) 8A 8A 8A 8A 8A
Dirtie Blonde - Walk Over Me 9A 10A X:7A X:7A C:9B
DJ Volume Ft. Capretta - White Horse (Club Mix) 8A 8A 8A 8A X:11B
DJ Zulan and Alex Teddy - Time to (Fatblock Remix) 9A 9A 9A 9A X:1B
Djs Are Alive - Gimme Some Love (Main Mix) 6A 6A 6A 6A C:7A
Dobson, Fefe - This Is My Life (Album Version) 7A 7A 7A 7A 7A
Dre Ft. Rick Ross - Chevy Ridin' High (PO Clean Edit) 12A 12A X:2A X:2A C:11A
Dynamic Rockers - Life (Original Mix) 2A 2A 2A 2A 2A
Echo & the Bunnymen - Lips Like Sugar (from the album "Future Retro") (Way Out West Remix Edit) 10A 10A 10A 10A X:1B
Falke, Fred and Savage - Wait for Love (Original Mix) 1A 2A C:12A C:12A C:1B
Field Mob Ft. Ciara - So What (PO Clean Edit) 2A 2A 2A 2A C:3A
Firefox - Sex Shooter (Club Mix) 4A 4A 4A 4A X:7B
Flipsyde - Someday 8A 8A 8A 8A 8A
Foxx, Jamie Ft. Twista - DJ Play A Love Song (PO Clean Edit) 9A 10A 9A 9A C:10A
Fresh 27 Featuring Vicky Fee - Point of View (Jules Spinner Edit) 5A 5A 5A X:7A C:6A
G, Nathan - Flashback (Men in White Suits Club Mix) 2B 11A X:12A X:12A C:1B
Goldfrapp - Ooh La La (Benny Benassi Remix Extended) 8A 8A X:6A X:6A X:11B
Goldfrapp - Ooh La La (Mike "Spike" Stent Single Version) 11B 8A X:8A X:8A 11B
Gotta Featuring Spirit - You Dropped A Bomb on Me (Club Mix 1) 2A 3A X:5A X:5A 2A
Hamilton, Anthony - Pass Me Over 8A 8B 8A 8A C:8B
Harris, Russ (DJ) - Hide & Seek (Extended Mix) 11B 8A X:1A X:1A 11B
Hawthorne Heights - Saying Sorry 12A 12A X:10A X:10A C:12B
Hot Chip - Over and Over (Naum Gabo Remix) 5A 5A 5A 5A X:8A
Hunter, Andy - To Life to Love (Andy Hunter Remix - Vocal Club) 5A 5A 5A 5A C:6A
J, Ray - What I Need 9A 9A X:1A X:1A C:10A
Jonas Brothers - Mandy 4B 4B X:1A X:* 4B
Jones, Donell - I'm Gonna Be 5A 5A C:6A C:6A C:6A
Jura - Take This Out (Mike Da Wizard & Anderstanding Tribaholic Mix) 6A 8A X:1A X:1A X:8A
Kem - Into You 12A 12A C:1A C:1A 12A
Kraft - Rock Da House (3d Team Remix) 5A 5A 5A 5A X:8B
Lachey, Nick - What's Left Of Me 7A 7A 7A 7A X:9B
LL Cool J Feat. Jennifer Lopez - Control Myself (Nevins Elektrotek Mix) 8A 6A 8A 8A X:11B
Matisyahu - King Without A Crown (Album Version) 5A 4A 5A 5A C:6B
Mattee Esse and Sant - The Bass Gets Move (Original Mix) 6A 6A 6A 6A C:7A
Men, Women & Children - Dance in My Blood (Moleman Remix) 1A 12A 1A 1A 1A
Midler, Bette - Fever (L.E.X. Bette's on Fire Club Mix) 8A 8A 8A 8A X:11B
Mobb Deep - Put Em In Their Place (PO Clean Edit) 2A 2A C:1A X:11A 2A
Mr. V - Jus Dance (Cosmic Ritual Dub) 1A 1A 1A 1A 1A
Ne-Yo - When You're Mad (PO Clean Edit) 1B 3A X:10A X:10A C:2B
Northernbeat Featuring Angie Brown - Rockin 4 Myself (Starlet Djs Vs N'bab) 3A 3A 3A 3A X:6B
Nu Frequency - Buy Me (Dub Mix) 2B 11A X:11A X:11A X:11A
Oakenfold, Paul - Faster Kill Pussycat (Club Mix) 10A 6A X:6A X:6A X:7A
Oakenfold, Paul - Faster Kill Pussycat (Roman Hunter Remix) 6A 6A C:5A C:5A C:5A
Philter Kidz Featuring Jl - Real Love (Garron Llang Remix) 12A 12A 12A 12A C:1B
Prince - Black Sweat 11A 1A X:1A X:1A X:1A
Princess Superstar and Larry Tee - Licky (Chris Mennace Mix) 5A 5A 5A 5A 5A
Prodigy, The - Voodoo People (Pendulum Remix) 1A 1A 1A 1A 1A
Purple Ribbon All-Stars - Body Rock (PO Clean Edit) 4A 4A X:9A X:9A X:7B
Radio 4 - Dance to the Underground (DFA Remix) 8A 8A 8A 8A 8A
Ross, Rick - Hustlin' 1A 1A 1A 1A 1A
Rupaul Feat. Tom Trujillo - People Are People (Giuseppe D's Rutroactive Club) 8A 8A 8A 8A 8A
Saint Etienne - Stars Above Us (DJ Jeff Barringer Club Mix) 7A 10A 7A 7A X:11A
Santaolalla, Gustavo - The Wings (the Theme to Brokeback Mountain) 7A 6A C:8A C:8A C:8A
Sean Ensign - It's My Life (Finally) (Mike Cruz' Vox Club Mix) 6A 6A C:7A C:7A X:8A
Shinedown - I Dare You (Rock Mix) 4B 4B X:1A X:1A 4B
Spikiri Ft. Hugh Masekela - Spiyanko (Roots Mix) 8A 8A C:9A X:11A 8A
Stargazer - Feel Good (Original Mix) 8A 8A 8A 8A 8A
Stereo K - A Man Can Change the World (Danny Jc Remix) 9A 8A X:4A X:4A C:10A
T.I. - What You Know (PO Clean Edit) 1B 2A C:2A C:2A C:2A
Tamar Ft. Price - Beautiful, Loved & Blessed 11B 11A C:11A C:11A 11B
Trick-Trick Ft. Jazze Pha - Attitude Adjustment (PO Clean Edit) 3A 8A X:11A X:11A 3A
Tunstall, KT - Black Horse & The Cherry Tree 9A 9A 9A 9A 9A
Vale, Jessica - Disco Libido (Dave Aude Future Disco Clean Mixshow) 6A 5A 6A 6A 6A
Vicious, Johnny Ft. Judy Albanese - Can't Let Go (Johnny's House Mix) 5A 5A 5A 5A 5A
Vicious, Johnny Ft. Judy Albanese - Cant Let Go (Tribal H2 Vocal) 6A 8A X:10A X:10A C:5A
Wall, Paul - Girl 10B 6A C:9A C:9A 10B
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Gold Lion (Diplo Remix) 11B 11A C:11A C:11A 11B
Young Leek - Jiggle It 4A 3A 4A 4A X:8A

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nennon
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Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Miami

Qualia,

Your post from IDJ:

quote:
i keep seeing this same post everywhere, claiming mixed in key is 95% accurate in its key detection. this is simply NOT true. please see a comparison done between the known key detection programs at: http://www.mixingonbeat.com/phpbb/v...p?p=21494#21494

mixed in key was actually the worst. there is a free program which does everything mixed in key does and more, check it out at [[ LINK REMOVED ]]



Read the statement on my website, 95% refers to our personal collections. I stand behind this statement and I believe that this assessment is accurate. You are posting unverified results and advertising your own software in the same post. I think you should show more respect for other developers and their time.


Yakov

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qualia
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Registered: Jan 2004
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yakov--

how about posting the names of the songs in your personal collection with mixed in key's results then? keep in mind, this is biased because you can simply pick the songs your program got correctly. the songs i've tested so far WERE NOT SELECTED BY ME. they were chosen by camelot, and unless you're suggesting i conspired with him then please stop the allegations that i'm trying to mislead people here...

honestly man, if your program was as accurate as you said it was, i'd have thrown down some money for it right then and there. however, knowing how difficult key detection was i simply could not believe it. there had been talks about doing a side by side comparison for a while now, and it was a convenient time to take all these programs to the test. it's true that the results have yet to be verified by may others, however, my results are posted in detail for anybody to see. i can even help people find the music, just email me.

i can't help it that my program did the best, and that posting these results makes it seem like advertising for my product. how harmful is my "advertising" anyway when rapid evolution is completely free? my software can only help the dj community. in fact, the more people use it, the more the users benefit as more key/bpm information is shared.

i don't like seeming to be against you because i love to see harmonic mixing expand. i especially don't want the community to become fragmented over opposing viewpoints. i just want to be open and honest, and feel others have a right to know the truth.

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it's time you guys stopped making claims right or wrong about yours or anothers software. I'm sure Nem didn't start this thread in order to promote ANY products, good or bad, but rather the concept involved for those new to Harmonic mixing.
If you want to continue your attacks on each other, start a new thread. I for one am not interested.

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qualia
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yeah, sorry for taking up so much space with that :-( will stick to the harmonic theory from now on!

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sterilis
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anyone know if alena turn it around is em or c#m? or something different?

thanks


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qualia
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unfortunately i don't have that song to check... mixshare's db says C#m... perhaps if it is not that, it's E major? (since it's the relative major of C#m)

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Nemesis44
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quote:
Originally posted by dj_kane
anyone know if alena turn it around is em or c#m? or something different?

thanks


Will check for you, got that at home somewhere.

Cheers
Nem


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sterilis
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cheers nem


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DJ Vale
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A#m (3A) TDR 01 - ? Big Dutch Trancer (If anyone recognises that promo code and knows what the name of this tune send me a PM as I would love to know.)

Yea - I have this...DJ Marcky vs. Leeroy - Magic Sunset

Cheers ;-)

Maybe a few years late though :-P

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Nemesis44
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quote:
Originally posted by DJ Vale
A#m (3A) TDR 01 - ? Big Dutch Trancer (If anyone recognises that promo code and knows what the name of this tune send me a PM as I would love to know.)

Yea - I have this...DJ Marcky vs. Leeroy - Magic Sunset

Cheers ;-)

Maybe a few years late though :-P


Errr found that out a few years ago dude... but hey. Thanks all the same.

Gave that a listen a while back and some how it just doesn't sound as large as it did at the time... I guess things have moved on.

Cheers
Nem


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