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Originally posted by tvmann "Sounding Off: Why vinyl can't survive": http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature_view.asp?ID=755

I had a nice little rebuttal typed out but then noticed next week's sounding off column is "why vinyl will survive", so I'll wait before I make any judgements.

I will say though that there are some valid points in there, but it still is mostly a biased rant about how vinyls essentially "suck" and how cd's/mp3's are so great. I guess that might have been the intent, but some of it seems blatently unwarranted too which I don't agree with. Contrary to what many seem to believe nowadays, cd's and mp3's both do have their disadvantages as well, even though that fact was totally ignored by the author. Hopefully he'll touch on that in the next write-up, because you can't talk about the good things without at least mentioning the bad, and vise versa for the other object being compared.

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I agree, it was a good article.
Not entirely accurate on all counts however.

Having read the snobbery in the thread that followed some guys there do look down on the clubbers a little and actually don't give them enough credit in terms of recognising sound quality. People are also desperately unaware (excuse the punn) of the subconcious effects that sound quality has on people.

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Originally posted by DJ KING#1 dont worry about my literacy as long as you know what im talkin about thats all that matters

Few people are going to take you seriously when you speak like a 15 year old on AOL. It just makes you look ignorant--which is, unfortunately, what most of your arguments are.

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NOT to mention that cd djs if they trainwreck they can sample an effect and tweak it to cover the fact they screwed up while with vynil youll just have to suffer the consequences and a couple of BOOOOOOOS

Really? Because I'm not aware of any respectable CD turntable that has built in effects, particularly those capable of "covering" a trainwreck. Perhaps you're thinking of a mixer like the DJM-600, or some external effect units? In that case, a vinyl DJ is just as capable of "tweaking it" to cover his mistake--as if that would even work (it won't). A trainwreck is a trainwreck, there is no difference whether it's happening on vinyl or CDs. In fact, this whole argument of yours makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. So let's move on...

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hey ive been in the dj scene alot longer than you have ive seen countless djs spin live and have spoke to numerous ones about cds vs vnyil and all of them have told me vnyil is profesional

Actually, more and more established DJs are switching to digital these days, CD in particular. Carl Cox, for instance, does not take vinyl with him to his gigs any more. He only uses CDs. Are you really going to try and tell Carl Cox that he's not being professional because he's using 4.5" ceramic discs to play music instead of 12" wax ones? He'd probably just laugh and go back to rocking the crowd. And don't believe for a second that Carl is in the minority, either. There are countless DJs who feel the same way. Since I have other things to do today, I'll let you discover this on your own time. I think this one example more than proves the point.

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besides you aint willing to master the orgins of records then you simply a playback dj

What exactly is a "playback dj?" Is it anything like that Gwen Stefani song? "'CAUSE I AIN'T NO PLAYBACK DJJJJJJJ!" Man, I fucking hate that song. But anyways, I see what you're trying to say: you're not really a DJ if you aren't capable of mixing vinyl, since vinyl records are where our roots lie. But what ignornant luddites such as yourself don't seem to understand is that the true purpose of a DJ is to rock the crowd. Imagine if you attended a party where the DJ booth was out of sight, or behind a curtain. Would you be able to tell whether the DJ was playing from records, CDs, or a laptop? Yes, a trained ear might be able to pick up a pitch bend or some crackles coming from a vinyl record, but this is ultimately irrelevant. The music would be indistinguishable, and more importantly: the crowd wouldn't care. Do you think that someone coming to a club/rave really gives a flying fuck what format the music is coming from? No, they just want to dance and have fun. I'm sure that you or someone else may be tempted to try and refute this by saying "well in that case, we could just play a CD on the club's soundsystem and be done with it!" No. A good DJ takes a substantial collection of music with him and selects which record to play at exactly the right moment. THIS is the reason why we go see DJs on the weekends instead of bands, and why they get paid handsomely for the job: when a good DJ creates and builds an atmosphere, reads the crowd and judges accordingly, he will blow the roof off. Not "because he can play vinyl records."

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maybe when you grow up someday youll understand that vnyil will never be replaced by cds

Or perhaps, when you grow up someday, you'll understand why there's absolutely nothing wrong with CDs and other digital formats. Don't get me wrong, I love vinyl too. It has its advantages and disadvantages just like every other format. But like I said, it's not the medium that counts, only the music.

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me being a dj and producer myself i do know what im talkin about so theres no use arguing

O rly? Because I think that 99% of the people in this corner of the TA forums are DJs too, and I'm sure most of them also produce. Fancy that! What exactly makes their opinions any less relevant? Oh, shit... my bad. I forgot that DJ KING#1 is world's the undisputed authority on DJing (*cough*). Actually, I happen to agree. There is no use arguning, because I just proved your luddite arguments to be ignorant and groundless. And if you don't want to believe me, maybe you'll believe someone like Carl Cox, or James Zabiela, or John Fleming, or Luke Fair, or Desyn Masiello, or Danny Tenaglia, or Sasha, or Digweed, or Sander Kleinenberg, or........

You lose. Good day sir.

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Originally posted by DJ KING#1 hey ive been in the dj scene alot longer than you have ive seen countless djs spin live and have spoke to numerous ones about cds vs vnyil and all of them have told me vnyil is profesional and plus me being a dj and producer myself i do know what im talkin about so theres no use arguing maybe when you grow up someday youll understand that vnyil will never be replaced by cds

Interesting... and I thought I was proffessional, damn just realised that I'm not because I use CDs....

Here's a thought... Would I be considered proffessional if I blow the roof of a place night after night for 22 years?
Produce tracks and even have a remix that is getting plays from major names in Europe (You know the place where most of the pro's come from (not disrespecting transatlantic pros))

Ofcourse you know what you are talking about so I'm not going to argue. I'll just carry on with what I'm doing and you stick to your credible scene.

Does it really matter as long as the party goes off?

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Does it really matter as long as the party goes off?

See my post above yours.

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u guys are ubelievabele, still debating on vinyls vs cds.
vinyl is dead and so are cds for that matter.
Now is the turn of pure digital (software) of course controlled by hardware mixers.. stop bitching. so whatif u are "professional dj" cause u spin on vinyl if ure playing in shithole places. go to a major event and see all ur profesionals using ableton live on their laptops, playing with a tiny thing full of knobs and sliders u dont know what the ffkkk they do. stay in the past. "professional cause i use vinyl" hahahahahaahahahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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you guys make me laugh with that digital bullshit but to each his own last i checked i was the dj not the laptop

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Originally posted by nrjizer Few people are going to take you seriously when you speak like a 15 year old on AOL. It just makes you look ignorant--which is, unfortunately, what most of your arguments are. Really? Because I'm not aware of any respectable CD turntable that has built in effects, particularly those capable of "covering" a trainwreck. Perhaps you're thinking of a mixer like the DJM-600, or some external effect units? In that case, a vinyl DJ is just as capable of "tweaking it" to cover his mistake--as if that would even work (it won't). A trainwreck is a trainwreck, there is no difference whether it's happening on vinyl or CDs. In fact, this whole argument of yours makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. So let's move on... Actually, more and more established DJs are switching to digital these days, CD in particular. Carl Cox, for instance, does not take vinyl with him to his gigs any more. He only uses CDs. Are you really going to try and tell Carl Cox that he's not being professional because he's using 4.5" ceramic discs to play music instead of 12" wax ones? He'd probably just laugh and go back to rocking the crowd. And don't believe for a second that Carl is in the minority, either. There are countless DJs who feel the same way. Since I have other things to do today, I'll let you discover this on your own time. I think this one example more than proves the point. What exactly is a "playback dj?" Is it anything like that Gwen Stefani song? "'CAUSE I AIN'T NO PLAYBACK DJJJJJJJ!" Man, I fucking hate that song. But anyways, I see what you're trying to say: you're not really a DJ if you aren't capable of mixing vinyl, since vinyl records are where our roots lie. But what ignornant luddites such as yourself don't seem to understand is that the true purpose of a DJ is to rock the crowd. Imagine if you attended a party where the DJ booth was out of sight, or behind a curtain. Would you be able to tell whether the DJ was playing from records, CDs, or a laptop? Yes, a trained ear might be able to pick up a pitch bend or some crackles coming from a vinyl record, but this is ultimately irrelevant. The music would be indistinguishable, and more importantly: the crowd wouldn't care. Do you think that someone coming to a club/rave really gives a flying fuck what format the music is coming from? No, they just want to dance and have fun. I'm sure that you or someone else may be tempted to try and refute this by saying "well in that case, we could just play a CD on the club's soundsystem and be done with it!" No. A good DJ takes a substantial collection of music with him and selects which record to play at exactly the right moment. THIS is the reason why we go see DJs on the weekends instead of bands, and why they get paid handsomely for the job: when a good DJ creates and builds an atmosphere, reads the crowd and judges accordingly, he will blow the roof off. Not "because he can play vinyl records." Or perhaps, when you grow up someday, you'll understand why there's absolutely nothing wrong with CDs and other digital formats. Don't get me wrong, I love vinyl too. It has its advantages and disadvantages just like every other format. But like I said, it's not the medium that counts, only the music. O rly? Because I think that 99% of the people in this corner of the TA forums are DJs too, and I'm sure most of them also produce. Fancy that! What exactly makes their opinions any less relevant? Oh, shit... my bad. I forgot that DJ KING#1 is world's the undisputed authority on DJing (*cough*). Actually, I happen to agree. There is no use arguning, because I just proved your luddite arguments to be ignorant and groundless. And if you don't want to believe me, maybe you'll believe someone like Carl Cox, or James Zabiela, or John Fleming, or Luke Fair, or Desyn Masiello, or Danny Tenaglia, or Sasha, or Digweed, or Sander Kleinenberg, or........ You lose. Good day sir.

hahaha nice try but you didnt even burn me on that one if you were to actually see them in the studio they use nothing but vynil only reason why most of them would even consider cds is to play there own stuff but i will just leave it at that and this thread alone



so sorry but your the one that lost and good day

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Last edited by DJ KING#1 on Aug-20-2006 at 23:45

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Originally posted by DJ KING#1 hahaha nice try but you didnt even burn me on that one if you were to actually see them in the studio they use nothing but vynil only reason why most of them would even consider cds is to play there own stuff but i will just leave it at that and this thread alone

Actually, you're wrong.

Here's one example: I saw Luke Fair a few weeks ago. It was a very relaxed party, the DJ booth was nothing more than a table against a small balcony, so anyone could walk right up to the decks and watch him work.

There were no vinyl turntables on the DJ booth at all. Just 2 CDJ-1000s, a CDJ-800, and a Xone 62. The warmup DJ played his set entirely from CDs. Luke Fair played his set entirely from CDs too. Are you going to try and tell me that Luke was only using CDs to play his own tracks?

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Originally posted by nrjizer Actually, you're wrong. Here's one example: I saw Luke Fair a few weeks ago. It was a very relaxed party, the DJ booth was nothing more than a table against a small balcony, so anyone could walk right up to the decks and watch him work. There were no vinyl turntables on the DJ booth at all. Just 2 CDJ-1000s, a CDJ-800, and a Xone 62. The warmup DJ played his set entirely from CDs. Luke Fair played his set entirely from CDs too. Are you going to try and tell me that Luke was only using CDs to play his own tracks?

Seriously, he's probably not worth the effort. If he/she feels the need to say these things it's probably because it's someone who isn't actually involved in any scene anywhere and probably knows a few local DJs if that.

Some people just like logging onto forums to start flame wars.

There is no substance behind this guys posts... ignore it. Let them think what they want.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Cheers Nem

Cheers
Nem