Hamas using civilians as human shields? How stupid are you guys? You shameless zionists twist the truth in any way possible to justify the killings of civilians. You guys are fucked! Truly disgusting. I can;t even believe you guys try to justify these actions!

Here are the facts-
-1.5 million people live in an area of 360 squared km or so known as Gaza.
- Gaza is getting getting bombed left,right, and center. The IDF is even trying out new weapon technologies on the Palestinians.
- Civilians have no where to run to. When they reach the situation where the bombing is too much, and they're forced to leave their homes, wherever they leave to is not safe either. There's a large possibility wherever they run away to in one of the most densely populated areas in the world is going to get bombed too. And you dirty ******s have the nerve to say that these civilians that die have been used as human shields?

Honestly I tried to be patient and get shallow idiots like above n beyond, diginut, shade (I'm not even going to reply to your post.. you just love to lie to yourself and steer the discussion off topic), and tatgirl, to understand the basis of this problem.. yet you guys go on to argue without even taking into consideration that Israel = stolen land = pissed off Palestinians + IDF keeps fucking with the Palestinians and stealing more land for settlements (which is how Israel came to exist initially in 1948) = Palestinians react = IDF retaliates on a much larger scale and continues steeling land... therefore you have tens of innocent Palestinians killed in return for one Israeli death. You guys are oblivious to the truth. You guys are afraid of it. That truth threatens the existence of the evil state you which you wrongly call home. Is our blood cheaper than your blood? Should you have more rights then we should? .. disgusting

Go ahead, keep lying to yourself, while (I hope) other TAs come to see this by comparing your opinions to facts. I'm sure plenty of people will come to see the evil you're beliefs are based on.

For those who are for the Palestinian cause.. please help those suffering in Gaza.. protest, donate, educate others... do whatever you can do to decrease and hopefully stop the hundreds of innocent Palestinian deaths.. Or at least help ease their suffering. We don't need any more innocent children, women, and men dying.



UN report: "No safe place in Gaza, no place to protect civilians" :
http://www.imemc.org/article/58376

Donations:
http://www.palestinehouse.com/
http://www.freegaza.org/pages/joinIn.html

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Originally posted by fayraree lol i know i'm not contributing much, but with an attitude like "casualties are a part of war...deal with it" then I guess ur cool with the twin towers coming down.

But the Twin Towers was no war, Fahad. That was a blatant terrorist attack. It started a war, though.

Gummybear, if you think you're not putting religion first, while I am, think again. As you said, this is about 'your muslim brothers and sisters'. You arent palestinian, you are Turkish. Its not just Palestinians that are protesting around the world, its lebanese, syrians, moroccans, iranians, etc, etc... on the same basis. So its ok for all of you to defend the Palestinians, but if a jew wants to defend Israel (not necessarily its policies, just its basic right for its people to exist or defend themselves), they have some 'agenda' and are 'brainwashed'. If you think animosity between arabs and jews only began with the birth of the state of Israel, you're sadly mistaken. They've always had problems, limited rights or abuses living in arab lands, just as they have in other countries, and have never felt 'safe' from persecution anywhere. **I am not trying to steer the conversation from the war to this basis, but if you dont think this has any history or relevance, thats just not true.

Again for the umpteenth time I've asked this question in this thread, and no 'anti zionist' has yet to answer it:

After 60 yrs of 'occupation' it is unrealistic to think all the Israelis will just up and leave. What do you propose the solution is??

Since people are not answering it, after they've been personally asked to, I can only assume they want one thing: destruction of Israel, and its population.

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--> Call for an immediate ceasefire. Give the Palestinians back their land and do to Israel what the allies did to Germany after WW1 such as the treaty of Versailles for a period of no less than 10 years.

Thats my solution.

Question for Tatgirl:

Do u think that the Palestinians will forgive the Israeli government/military after all they've done and just go on living their lives?

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Originally posted by T_ALI --> Call for an immediate ceasefire. Give the Palestinians back their land and do to Israel what the allies did to Germany after WW1 such as the treaty of Versailles for a period of no less than 10 years. Thats my solution.

how about a reasonable solution that would be at least remotely considered by both parties?

you'd make a terrible diplomat lol

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by Yohan how about a reasonable solution that would be at least remotely considered by both parties? you'd make a terrible diplomat lol

It might seem that way cause these types of senseless killings REALLY PISS ME OFF!!!



What would u propose?

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Originally posted by T_ALI It might seem that way cause these types of senseless killings REALLY PISS ME OFF!!! What would u propose?

lol. i really dont know dude, since all the reasonable peace talks have gone nowhere.

well, immediate ceasefire would be nice

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

meh..i have some time..

[quote] Gummybear, if you think you're not putting religion first, while I am, think again. [quote]

ok..i'm not a liar so if i told you it's not about religion than i mean it..first off..i am a muslim by birth and do not come from a very religious family...i do not consider myself religious and have never even talked to my parents about this stuff..my dad doesn't even smoke or have a moustache... i have not been fed any ideologies as a child or adult..anything i have learned has been from the research i have conducted on my own..i have a need to ask questions, seek answers and gain knowledge..i do not just listen to what i am told....that is why i like to LEARN..i feel empowered when i learn and discover new information...i know what the truth is once it is in front of me....i have a brain and the ability to decipher bullshit from fact...i don't let emotion or devotion get in the way opening up my mind to new concepts..but once i do firmly believe in something...i will defend that thought as i am confident that it comes from a firm foundation of knowledge...

I am willing to bet that most of the things you have repeated in this thread are things you have been taught to you from an early age..things you have heard from people you probably respect...for example..how can you say all jews are hated? i'm sure you have not witnessed this..how could you even quantify such a vast idea....it's a THOUGHT that has been placed in your head...so not it has become your reality...

[quote]As you said, this is about 'your muslim brothers and sisters'.
You arent palestinian, you are Turkish. [quote]

The point being? That's like me saying...why would you feel bad for the Polish jews in the second world war.. you're not from poland...


[quote]Its not just Palestinians that are protesting around the world, its lebanese, syrians, moroccans, iranians, etc, etc... on the same basis. [quote]

Actually..pretty much every civilized nation in the world is protesting....

So its ok for all of you to defend the Palestinians, but if a jew wants to defend Israel (not necessarily its policies, just its basic right for its people to exist or defend themselves), they have some 'agenda' and are 'brainwashed'.

no one has said israel shouldn't exist...you keep getting into that argument with yourself..once again..it's what you're programmed to do..you are so defensive...a

[quote] If you think animosity between arabs and jews only began with the birth of the state of Israel, you're sadly mistaken. [quote]

did i say this?? lol...you just told me i'm mistaken when i have never even uttered the words that i am mistaken about...or are you just using this as a catapult into some sort of statement? i guess we'll see...

[quote] They've always had problems, limited rights or abuses living in arab lands, just as they have in other countries, and have never felt 'safe' from persecution anywhere. **I am not trying to steer the conversation from the war to this basis, but if you dont think this has any history or relevance, thats just not true.[quote]

but of course! where the hell did this argument come from...lol...once again it is the inferiority complex coming through..NEWSFLASH..there are many, many populations in this world that have suffered as much or worse than the jews...please get over yourself...

and please QUANTIFY what you are saying..and not repeat what you have heard around the dinner table...limited rights and abuses!!!! are you for real!!! dude...please..do some research and find out what has been happening to the palestinians in your "homeland"...you want to talk about rights and liberties..go look at the dozens of human rights violations committed by israel..i am not going to tell you..just do the research....i'm inviting you to learn for yourself..and not be scared of what you may find out..it's ok..there are many, many, many jews that have done it...


[quote] Again for the umpteenth time I've asked this question in this thread, and no 'anti zionist' has yet to answer it:

After 60 yrs of 'occupation' it is unrealistic to think all the Israelis will just up and leave. What do you propose the solution is?? [quote]

how about you put the needs of the jews on the back burner for just a second..you can always come back to it..just for a second..put another group of people in front of the group you belong to..

forget about long term solutions for now..the immediate concern is that the "fighting" has to stop..there has to be a cease fire..israel has to be held accountable for the many violations they have committed..they have to stop bombing hospitals..universities..un buildings etc..

[quote]Since people are not answering it, after they've been personally asked to, I can only assume they want one thing: destruction of Israel, and its population. [quote]

oh my..the inferiority complex rears its ugly head once again.. you didn't get an answer to your question therefore, you had no other option but to assume the most negative thing you could.....yes..because your question wasn't sufficiently answered..you are allowed to make out of this world general statements about people..once again, based on what you have been spoon fed....stop being so defensive....it's like a self fulfilling prophecy...i'm sorry that you feel that everyone hates jews..if this is what you have been taught..i feel bad for you..cuz you never really had a chance...

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watch this


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

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Originally posted by T_ALI watch this http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

I will not watch youtube garbage.


Just let this thread die people.....nothing is being accomplished in this thread other then talking in circles....there is no give or take....just like this war.

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Having a bad day? or have u always been an asshole? U really r blind!!! Its the content of the video that matters not that its posted on youtube.

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