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Originally posted by melech_mike It's not a question of whether or not it's their land... IT IS! It's a question of whether or not they will give up their lands for peace -- a "peace" that has once and again proven itself to be the shitty end of the stick for the Israelis.

ITS NOT THEIR LAND... THEY STOLE IT!!!!!

If you are talking about Jewish land with respect to ancient historical or biblical borders.... you need to grow up

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Originally posted by Cyrus King ITS NOT THEIR LAND... THEY STOLE IT!!!!! If you are talking about Jewish land with respect to ancient historical or biblical borders.... you need to grow up

I can tell you are very informed with the OLD Testament. You see, the NEW Testament doesn't explain how the Jews originally lived there, but as the result of oppression from certain events in history, such as Diaspora, it removed the Jews from what we call the land that God granted us. As for growing up, give it a shot yourself! Who knows? You may even like it!

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Originally posted by Galapidate I can tell you are very informed with the OLD Testament. You see, the NEW Testament doesn't explain how the Jews originally lived there, but as the result of oppression from certain events in history, such as Diaspora, it removed the Jews from what we call the land that God granted us. As for growing up, give it a shot yourself! Who knows? You may even like it!

Ummm.....i am looking at the Issue at hand unlike you who is bringing religious justification into a matter that deals with politcal boundaries in which people like you like to validate biblically.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King ITS NOT THEIR LAND... THEY STOLE IT!!!!! If you are talking about Jewish land with respect to ancient historical or biblical borders.... you need to grow up

Well i guess i'm all grown up... because i'm not even going to go into biblical claims to the land.
I'm talking legal claims and moral claims!
Some of what i'm talking about has a lot to do with us beating the shit out of your armies as they tried to attack us... WE TOOK THE LAND IN A TIME OF WAR. YOU LOST! Sew your "nations" balls back on and take it like men.... @#$%@#$% drama queens!

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Originally posted by melech_mike Well i guess i'm all grown up... because i'm not even going to go into biblical claims to the land. I'm talking legal claims and moral claims! Some of what i'm talking about has a lot to do with us beating the shit out of your armies as they tried to attack us... WE TOOK THE LAND IN A TIME OF WAR. YOU LOST! Sew your "nations" balls back on and take it like men.... @#$%@#$% drama queens!

Im not Arab

Mike.. where were you grandparents from before 1948?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Im not Arab Mike.. where were you grandparents from before 1948?

Quite frankly, I don't care where your from... I care whats in your head -- and thus far you have yet to show me anything I haven't already debated with another person brainwashed by the idealisms of his religion!

Iran and Spain... I know where your trying to go with this and you'll probably make my laugh... so go on... post

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Ummm.....i am looking at the Issue at hand unlike you who is bringing religious justification into a matter that deals with politcal boundaries in which people like you like to validate biblically.

But haven't you noticed that Arabs also claim to have the religious entitlements to the land? The problem is that a Christian-dominated country (the U.S.) is interfering with a conflict that primarily involves Muslims and Jews.

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Originally posted by occrider I think they sum up the middle east pretty well ... Israel: I'm not going to give you a state until you stop terrorist attacks. Palestinians: We're not going to stop terrorist attacks until you give us our state. Both: Fine let's just agree to kill each other. Everybody is happy in the end I guess.

i have an edit 4 you:

Israel: We are willing to give you a state with 97& of the teretory you want and also teretory swamping in order to come to a normal solution

palastinians:NO!! we want it all we wont rest until all israelis will go awey we like killing our selfs that gives us a chance to die holly and go to heven


-Based On full facts from camp david 1999

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Originally posted by Cyrus King If you are talking about Jewish land with respect to ancient historical or biblical borders.... you need to grow up

haha, yes.

If the world was just then the native americans would be given back all of america - and all the new americans would be cramed into Utah.

After all the native americans have a greater historical claim to North america than the Israelis do to Israel - as the Native americans lived there just a few hundred years ago - compared to several thousand for the Israelis.

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Originally posted by joeh152 haha, yes. If the world was just then the native americans would be given back all of america - and all the new americans would be cramed into Utah. After all the native americans have a greater historical claim to North america than the Israelis do to Israel - as the Native americans lived there just a few hundred years ago - compared to several thousand for the Israelis.

oh, so true. so true.

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