I gotta agree with what Vtec said...cuz its true, when a dj makes a great recovery from a train wreck(and all dj's have train wrecked at one time or another) it should be praised and not blown out of proportion. No ones f*@$in perfect you know. Ive heard Tiesto a couple of times and his sets were seemingly clean and smooth.

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just like chjo, i find the comparison between picasso and tiesto brilliant. except as i recall, picasso's work never became really famous until after he died, and he never had much money. Correct me if im wrong! tiesto, on the other hand doesn't have that problem.

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Originally posted by wienerschnitzel just like chjo, i find the comparison between picasso and tiesto brilliant. except as i recall, picasso's work never became really famous until after he died, and he never had much money. Correct me if im wrong! tiesto, on the other hand doesn't have that problem.

You are so right. But you'll never know. After his death he might be even more famous..

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you never know! tiesto may be the beatles of trance? (oh, i know... people are going to give me shit for using that comparison!)

oh, and i also know all the beatles aren't dead.... arrgh! it's a shitty example!

Very interesting conversation I must say...Since I have never seen Tiësto myself I cannot make any statement regarding this atm...

But I'll finally get to see him on Saturday at Dance Valley...Although he doesn't spin my kind of shit I'm looking forward to see him...just because of all the hype there is around him...well see if he is what you say he is...

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I just have a couple things to say.

1. For the most part, everyone who is defending Tiesto is a newbie, Tiesto after DD 02.02.02 has gone WAY down hill.

2. How is Tiesto a "pioneer" like so many people have said?.....i LOVE Tiesto, started in 1996-97...but i do not see Tiesto as a pioneer...unless of course your talking about his venture to bring trance to the commercial for the massess market..then yes he IS a pioneer.....Oakey IS and will always be THE trance pioneer...he may blow NOW but he is THE trance pioneer.

what i wrote on a different board concerning the tiesto issue

On a serious note I think your nostalgia ("good old times"; first experiences are always the most impressive ones) might affect the way you juge Tiesto to a far too great extent. Tiesto doesn't live on a lonely island, and thus when everything changes, so must he: The music itself (no more 1999 epic anthems), the scene, his popularity, his taste( hey, why aren't djs allowed to change tastes, explore new genres, just the way us, the clubbers, do it?) etc. etc.
I believe that saying he sucks (mixing, trackselection, set-structuring wise) and explaining it by his popularity is way too simple, it's almost become a modern myth One should please judge him after conisdering all the aforementioned changes. Also you should open your mind to new styles and forget the constant comparisons with the past.

Personally I see it this way: Around 2001 Tiesto got sick of the anthem-after-anthem style (and simultaneously realized that the amount of quality uplifting trance in general was declining). I remember how I listened to a Tiesto set in December 2001, impatiently waiting for the first uplifting stormer - in vain. It took me a time, but I learned to appreciate the way he added genres like tech-trance and progressive house to his sets until his masterpiece @ dutch dimension 2002 finally showed how he successfully managed to develop a new formula for his sets - innovative and totally necessary. Towards the end of 2002, however, he did get a bit tired of everything, which affected his performances, but which he himself has openly admitted (in a recent interview he wrote how he had to take a time out, feeling exhausted and losing inspiration in the second half of 2002).

Luckily in 2003 uplifting trance seems to be coming back big style, Tiesto being motivated once again, and there you have your trance monsters in tiesto's sets back, contrasted by techno and tech -trance (apparently his new fav. genres?). Tiesto 2003 is energetic, fresh, a great exprience form start to finish. As for set structuring....Perhaps in the US he sometimes drops it randomly but @ the LFA for example I felt a nice build up from soft prog to trance to tech trance culimnated by "street Spirit" by Radiohead (oh my god!).

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tiesto is just a good artist, he did not invent trance, he just plays his own style, which is more than fine, and in fact im a very big fan of his. he is not much of a creator but someone who creates variations in the art that he listens too.. he does not produce nearly as much as he plays other peoples music, he is no picasso, who invented and pioneered his own type of art in a time period that was far less accepting of people who deviated from social norms. i dont know how you could possibly compare him to picasso, unless you dont know how much he added to the art community.

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Whoa.........typed in a search for tiesto and came up with world war III. I have little knowledge of trance. Just happened to hear some music that sounded cool to me a couple years ago.


Probably my last post cause after reading five pages of this.....

I listen to trance cause it makes me feel good. Period. Who cares who is better.

Let the beat play. And Im out.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 I just have a couple things to say. 1. For the most part, everyone who is defending Tiesto is a newbie, Tiesto after DD 02.02.02 has gone WAY down hill.

Hardly worth the time to answer at this one.
But it's a little to stupid not to.. Wtf did you mean by that??
I'm most certainly no newbie, and I'm sure the othrr how defend him arn't aswell.
But I can agree that after Dutch Dimension he lost a while, wasn't listening much to him. But after TiC Gelerdome he's back big time.

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