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moncster
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But if producing heroin isn't illegal, it wouldn't cost $300 a day (mass production, production in 3rd world countries etc)
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 Sep-15-2003 23:22
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tiesto14
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LOL i am not 12...i have been smoking cigs for 12 years...thats what i meant....unless u were insulting me...but i am not 12 either or...
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Well, its not a bad idea |
Purely ridiculous.....when i suggested it i knew it was a mornic statement.
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No, of course they would still become addicted. But the difference is they would know the exact potency of their drugs, and therefore the number of drug overdoses would be massivly reduced. |
maybe....but the deaths from tobacco and alchohol are staggering...so more then likely they would be higher since the drug would be easier to get.....
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Fuq
Exactly. But thats not the only reason. Another thing to consider is that there wouldnt be many, if any, drug dealers and gangs who make shitloads of money from selling drugs and r usually involved in other types of crime, like gun crime, because there would be very, very little profit. |
so in other words - legalize 1 crime to deter anothers?....absurd.
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Yep, not just from selling drugs, but they would save trillions that otherwise wouldve been spent chasing after drug users, dealers and gangsters.. |
doubtful since a large portion of the drugs are brought into the country by the CIA (in America)...government alreayd gets that money...they would LOSE money in all actuality if drugs became legal....
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Well, thats going a bit far but of course heroin users would have access to clean needles (no more hiv spreading).. |
legalizing heroin doesnt prevent HIV...education and commen sense does
And clean needles are vaialble across the country...there are many programs are sponsered...here in NYC, from time to time, i see a truck that hands them out to addicts that are homeless or any addict that needs clean needles....
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Fuq
The difference is caused by laws.. |
No the difference is caused by the effects....show me case of a nicotine addict commiting a crime to get a cigarette...furthermore show me one instance of someone quiting nicotine that has died from withdrawel symptoms.
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Ive never, EVER heard of a smoker killing for tobacco. Why? Because nicotine doesnt cost $300 a day... |
It is not as addictive.....and heroin doesnt cost $300 a day....
When heroin WAS legal in America people where STILL commiting countless crimes to get after they would go through their life savings paying for the habit and wanted the drug so bad they would rob and kill for it....this is when you could buy it at stores in the early 20th century...
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Bollocks.... |
as your arguement...which i completly debunked...you have proved zero...
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Making smoking illegal would only put its users into the same situation that heroin users r in now. That is fucking stupid. Considering nicotine is maybe 5 times more addictive than heroin, imagine what the prices would shoot up to, and imagine how much money gangsters would make off it. Making it illegal is an extremely bad idea. |
No it wont because smoking doesnt have the same chemical affects on ones body and mind....
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UWM
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Good another reasonable thread that tiesto14 joined and it completely went to horse shit.
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DJ-Fuq
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| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
LOL i am not 12...i have been smoking cigs for 12 years...thats what i meant....unless u were insulting me...but i am not 12 either or...
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No i wasnt insulting u i just misunderstood, read it too quick.
| quote: | | maybe....but the deaths from tobacco and alchohol are staggering...so more then likely they would be higher since the drug would be easier to get..... |
The deaths from alcohol and tobacco r because of how lethal the drugs r in themselves. Ur saying more heroin users would die even tho there would be hardly any overdoses? How exactly?
| quote: | | so in other words - legalize 1 crime to deter anothers?....absurd. |
Huh? What r u talking about? What im saying is that since u could get almost all drugs so cheaply, at least 10 times less than they cost now, there would be fuck all profit for dealers and gangs, basically putting them out of business.
Heard about alcohol probition? Go and ask al capone how he made his money.
| quote: | | doubtful since a large portion of the drugs are brought into the country by the CIA (in America)...government alreayd gets that money...they would LOSE money in all actuality if drugs became legal.... |
I wasnt just talking about america. But now that u mention it, maybe what ur saying has something to do with WHY wont make it legal, and feeding the public all the bullshit that they do.
| quote: | legalizing heroin doesnt prevent HIV...education and commen sense does
And clean needles are vaialble across the country...there are many programs are sponsered...here in NYC, from time to time, i see a truck that hands them out to addicts that are homeless or any addict that needs clean needles.... |
Thats not enough. When someones going to buy legal heroin, it would have to be supplied with enough clean needles for that amount of the drug.
| quote: | | No the difference is caused by the effects....show me case of a nicotine addict commiting a crime to get a cigarette...furthermore show me one instance of someone quiting nicotine that has died from withdrawel symptoms. |
lol, u really havnt a clue about what ur talking about. I argue with prohibitionists like u every fucking day and the majority of them dont even say things like this. What ur saying is, the high of heroin makes u want to kill or rob people?
Nicotine addicts dont have to commit crimes to pay for their addiction because of the PRICE. Tobacco here costs up to £110/kg. Do u know how much heroin costs? Up to £300,000/kg.
Heroin withdrawl doesnt kill, but alcohol withdrawl can.
| quote: | | It is not as addictive.....and heroin doesnt cost $300 a day.... |
YES IT IS. Its FAR more addictive. Heroin can easily cost $300 a day, of course this differs depending on where u r. But even if it costs $100 a day, thats gonna cause crime. If it cost $5 a day like cigarettes, or even $15, that crime would disappear.
| quote: | | When heroin WAS legal in America people where STILL commiting countless crimes to get after they would go through their life savings paying for the habit and wanted the drug so bad they would rob and kill for it....this is when you could buy it at stores in the early 20th century... |
Do tobacco smokers have to go through their life savings to pay for it? NO. Its all about the fucking price.
| quote: | | as your arguement...which i completly debunked...you have proved zero... |
| quote: | | No it wont because smoking doesnt have the same chemical affects on ones body and mind.... |
Uhhhh, Wtf? This is getting ridiculous. Jusat remember, nicotine is MORE addictive than heroin. Prohibiting it would cause chaos.
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Sep-16-2003 00:47
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DaveSZ
When The Levee Breaks
Registered: Jan 2003
Location: ATX
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Sep-16-2003 00:50
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UWM
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Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Here
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| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
...maybe it is just beyond your usual realm of maturity... |
Yup guess you win the prize.
The fact that I don't sit down and refute every sentence in someone's post and make irrelevant comments about them all makes me immature.
Flame on.
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Sep-16-2003 00:59
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