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trintiy
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Registered: Feb 2001
Location: MD.......Missing England :(

Ok Havok was right this site just about covers everything
check it out

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Johnny Eckhardt
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Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Los Angeles

TRINTIY...so you had a Sunday morn gig too. I did Sunday mornings (6am) at a club (Greg's Blue Dot) in L.A. for about 4 years. The place was jumpin'.

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FinnHawk
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Registered: Dec 2000
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
Goa...

All I know is that the first Goa Trance releases weren't until about 1992 (looking at the CD reviews catalog at http://goatrance.free.fr ), altho they were playing trance (and other electronica) in Goa well before that.

Parties HAVE been going on the Goa region of India for a long time (since the 1960s?) but they didn't start playing electronic dance music until the 1980s. Before that they played stuff like Psychedelic Rock.

That's all I know on the topic of Goa and Trance..

But here's a good link to an article about Goa Trance:

http://www.scu.edu.au/schools/carts...sic/mh/goa.html

Here are some clips from that article:

"The music of the time (1970s) was, of course, nothing like the music that has come to be known as Goa trance. Boyd (1996) suggests the Grateful Dead. Ollie Olsen (in Cole, 1996d), who has collaborated with the pioneering Goa trance DJ, Fred Disko, recalls Disko telling him that around 1980 the staple beach party repertoire still consisted of the Doors, Neil Young, the Eagles and perhaps some Pink Floyd. The name Disko was given to him because he was one of the first to introduce electronic dance music to the scene. Another pioneer Goa trance DJ, Goa Gil, who was "one of the originators of the famous Goa full moon parties", played live with a band, and also DJed in Goa through the 1970s. When, at the beginning of the 1980s, he grew tired of the "rock/fusion/reggae" music he was spinning, he introduced "the first post-punk experimental electronic dance music coming from Europe, the neue deutsche welle, electronic body music" (Gil, 1996). Ray Castle supports this view, that "Goa techno trance actually originated from hard line, electronic body music, groups like Nitzer Ebb, Front 242, Frontline Assembly, as well as from Eurobeat."

"The freaks and the hippies used to collect the most mind-boggling psychedelic dance music they could find and bring it to India and play it at these parties, and we used to exchange this music......In the old days we used to call it "special music". It was very obscure and it was very hard to get your hands on. You were a real connoisseur or collector, and Goa was a kind of fraternity of obscure, weird psychedelic music collectors getting together, getting stoned, and getting off on the music; and sharing each other's music, exchanging it, copying it, and then making parties out of it."

"Until DAT (Digital Audio Tape) machines became common in the early 1990s, the predominant method of playback was using cassette decks. Playing vinyl recordings was never a realistic practice in the heat of Goa as the vinyl would easily warp. Castle (in Cole, 1996a) remembers DJ "Sven Vath coming to Goa with all his records wanting to be the techno pope of India, but he couldn't do it" Castle advises that "you've got to adapt to tape decks and DAT machines to pull off these parties and play for eight hours."
[I guess that's why many Goa DJs today spin off DAT or CDs]

"Despite the fact that an identifiable musical style or range of stylistic approaches to music played at Goa trance parties has existed at least since the mid 1980s, Ray Castle (in Cole 1996a, p. 9) believes "it wasn't until 1991 or 1992 that people went back to Europe, or Japan, or even Australia, and began making music specifically for psychedelic trance parties"."

Even if trance music in goa was one of the first styles of trance, I think maybe it evolved more out of Techno... That would make more sense, cuz the name TRANCE would seem to best describe music that IS repetative and trance inducing, unlike most modern trance music. Maybe it evolved from Techno dance music that DJs brought to goa from Europe for their parties and started modified (re-mixing). Hmmm...

The article does a good job of explaining the philosophy of goa enthusiasts. They are against the commercialization and standardization of the music...

Here's a good quote on that matter from the article:

"Melbourne-based Goa DJ Steve Psyko (in Cole 1996b, p. 6) maintains that Goa raves in European cities are now attended by "a very mainstream crowd", and that he and his friends are dissatisfied with the way the genre has been stereotyped and commodified. Psyko claims that "the English... have decided that Goa trance is just one kind of music." This he believes is very "un-Goa", that "in the beginning the feeling from Goa music is...anything goes." "

That is all.

Sal

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patticus
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Registered: Apr 2001
Location: vancouver, bc

quote:
Originally posted by Johnny Eckhardt
TRINTIY...so you had a Sunday morn gig too. I did Sunday mornings (6am) at a club (Greg's Blue Dot) in L.A. for about 4 years. The place was jumpin'.


sorry i dunno nothin bout clubs (bein underAGE and all, hehe )
but sunday mornings? what places are open sunday morning? maybe not in vancouver... but yah

it gets busy and stuff?
sounds weird, but cool///

the "pre-church service party" lol


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Johnny Eckhardt
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Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Los Angeles

Well actually we did call it "Church". The place was packed...every Sunday. There was a big all night dance club called "Probe" just a few doors down and then at 6am (when it's legal to start serving liquor again in California) everybody would come down to "Greg's Blue Dot" and the party continued all the way until closing (2am) on Sunday night. It was pretty wild. I would play from 6am until around 1 or 2pm (and that was after playing from 8pm until 2am on Saturday night).

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trintiy
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Registered: Feb 2001
Location: MD.......Missing England :(

Johnny sounds like you and I were fellow 'Vampires' Plush would reopen at 6am when it was legal to serve alcohol. It was a decent venue until they got new management. I was the resident, and every morning I'd show up to Dj, there would be at least 2-3 other local Djs there who were not scheduled to play, the management just wouldn't say No! to people. So now before I would start I have to sort everything out.

When the crowd was good the place would jump, but every now and then we got the "Crackhead" crowd, those clubbers who didn't want to party anymore, but they didn't want to go home either, so they would just sit in the club until closing time at 10:30am

It was a great learning experience about Djing and how to run a club.

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flystyler
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Registered: Jun 2001
Location: Aylesbury, UK

i know that the start was around 1989, with people like paul oakenfold, bringing sounds back to england from ibiza. Or atleast that is what it says in one of my album booklets. But i dont think england is the most advanced, but it is somewhere around 89


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LiquidX
It's All OvA!



Registered: Mar 2001
Location: In Ur Mind

Okeis... this is what I found .

For the TRANCE :Trance evolved from German Techno, using the rolling bass and sizzling keyboards of techno to give the music a hypnotic flowing effect, yet retaining all the driving, pulsating energy of it's true techno roots. Attributes: synth/sample-driving, pounding basslines, complex cyber-sounding keyboards, usually instrumental. 128 to 150 BPM. Examples: Aphex Twin, HardTrance Acsperience, Cosmo, Raver's Nature, Marusha and anything on the Harthouse, D-Jax, Rough Trade, or EX labels.

And for the GOA TRANCE :Goa was born in Germany where trance also comes from. Trance grew in Germany and that’s where everyone who knows it has got it. Goa is known for the peace, love, and sun. Trance was played on a lot of beach parties and because of its warm climate of “goa” vinyl would melt. Thus, the music was put on DAT and wasn’t mixed, and that’s why the tracks have an intro, climax, and an outro. Goa trance is played all over the world and the public seem to enjoy it more because it is more “relaxing” and “easy-listening” style than other types of trance. A lot of various "branches" have been born with experimental mixing; voodoo trance, astral trance. Sample CD's: Man with no name, The Best of Goa Trance Vol. I, Vol. II, Vol. III, Astral Projections

Well, in somewhat different from what others have given , this is my small collaboration though


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tu_face
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Registered: Oct 2000
Location: Sheffield, UK

patticus... clubbing dont stop at 6am up here in sheffield, if u are hardcore enough for it u can go right thru til midnight sunday, these places tend to be hard house or similarly hard music types.. e.g. destination after gatecrasher tonmight = insomniacz thats if they aint searchin so harsh on the doors this week...

fuckin wicked thread by the way, it aint often we get fresh ideas for threads in here, but a few seem to be popping up this weekend. i havent been into trance long enough (3 years) to know much about the early days though, i spose i need to get some research done heheh

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