[QUOTE]Originally posted by Orko
My only explaination is that you have to look back at the cave man. Males used tools do their work, hunt. Women used their voices to build relationships, hence why women are more social and better equiped to care for children. All throughout time men have played with tools, all the greatest scientists, inventors, have been males. I know some of that is due to males limiting female intervention, but you cant chalk it all up to that.

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Sure you can...at least about 97% of it is that, males limiting females--though it's not like it's done purposefully or maliciously, anymore. Males don't actively discourage female DJing, but the sheer fact there are so many males and so few females is daunting to women and in that way limits female participation. You might say that's our fault, and not males' fault, but given the long history of male-controlled nations where they did suppress women and there was an extreme lack of female rights...well, that just speaks for itself.

I know PLENTY of females who really want to learn how to DJ (myself included) but we feel intimidated by the massive amount of males who dominate the scene. The same is true with picking up a guitar in a rock band. Generally speaking (and this is not always true), females feel a bit shy or nervous or insecure when they are trying to learn completely new things in a male-dominated area. Vocal talent is something you pretty much already have and don't have to learn from scratch while all these males (and far more experienced females) are staring at you, judging you. So most girls stick to vocals.

As far as the cave example...heh...I think I would have to disagree. Plenty of women "played with tools" as it were, just not the bows and arrows you're thinking of. Women made pottery. Women sewed. Women gardened. Women helped skin the deer for dinner. Women had plenty of tools. Just not in the bloody man-goeth-into-the-forest-to-hunt type of thing you might be imagining.

So, really, the only reason you cite the "greatest scientists and inventors" as men is because of what I've already said: females have long been discouraged to enter into the male-dominated arena, and thus have stuck to the safer regions of home and child raising. As a result, historically speaking, men have made the major scientific breakthroughs. It's not because women don't WANT to, trust me! And although today men ARE far more encouraging, it's only been 40 odd years since women's lib, and it's gonnna take a lot longer before women as a gender feel more confident to launch themselves into male-dominated fields.

Whew! There is my XX chromosome point of view. Sorry so long.

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I have a few female friends that love trance. I think that maybe elctronic music hasn't been directed to women exclusively. Maybe if the djs tried new stuff (like Oakenfold with "Starry Eyed Surprise") that were aiming for female audiences trance or other genres could have more dancing femles.

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Originally posted by Syeker Maybe if the djs tried new stuff (like Oakenfold with "Starry Eyed Surprise") that were aiming for female audiences trance or other genres could have more dancing femles.

So what you're saying is that all the DJs should just sellout and play commercial trash to attact females?

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Generalizations like "females need vocals" are kind of ridiculous. You'll hear your guy friends complain just as much if you listen. There's nothing that relates a sex organ to needing words for a song. I think it's dangerous stereotyping to say that women aren't smart enough to get it.
In American culture, at least, women are mainly rewarded for being sexy. Dancing to hiphop is very sexual, so society tells women that they should be interested in that to prove themselves. They're not pushed towards trance. But that means we should try to pull them in. Like neoh complained, "I find that most females are too worried about their looks and self esteem to dance to the music. My girlfriend loves it, but she refused to dance at a rave we went to. It's amazing. "

I think that males may be more likely to find trance because it's a community that has a very strong internet presence, and women are less likely to surf the internet extensively (another stereotype about females can't be nerds).

Misstress Barbara, DJ Astrid, Sandra Collins & Baby Anne whoop some ass, there's definitely nothing keeping out females that wanna be here.

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Jessicah: Only one X chromosome is functional. The other becomes a barr body.

Ok. First off we need to drop the whole female DJ as part of the discussion. This is not what we are asking. Who's on the decks male or female has nothing to with why girls don't come to shows. Look at rock concerts. Women show up at the concert because they like the band. (rare exception being a girl wanting to become a DJ looking up to the female DJ as an idol)

Second: to reinforce Jessicah's points, Trance is NOT mainstream, its underground. If you don't live in a big city where a lot of parties happen, then the internet becomes your main source for Trance and I don't have to convince anyone what the guy/girl ratio is for computer use. So, therefore since Trance has slowly been introduced since 99, it is not being played at meatmarket clubs and girls are NOT exposed to it.

Conclusion: It is OUR fault as men. We have to INVITE girls. Give the girl a mix cd. I take full responsibility for girls not being at clubs and I shut my trap really quick when my friends and I walk in and are about to say to ourselves: "dang: sausagefest 2003" cause then we remember: Oh yea WE didn't ask any girls to come either.

It's the age old story of: "Hey lets go meet hot girls at club. Cool I'll ask Joe #1 #2 and#3 to come, it'll be great." Well, all over the city this same senario is happening between different guy friends so W T F did you think was gonna happen?

---You can't have even teams unless it's you +1 HB mate!---

I'm always trying to recruit girls from everywhere but no offense to the good people of the south ; IT'S THE DIRTY SOUTH up in hea'. The girls I meet are like: ohhh you listen to "TECHNO"?. you go to "RAVES"? their idea of a good night out is WILD BILLS(fokin rednek linedancing club)."NOOO its NOT just country. they play ALL kinds of music" (yea raunchy hip hop booty remixes and some NSYNC club rmx) =ghey.

Oh and another one that gets me: "how do you dance to that beat? (trance 4/4 straight) I can't dance to that straight beat." How the hell can you NOT dance to a straight beat? IT'S LIKE A CLEAN SLATE = TOTAL FREEDOM. its harder to dance to booty/ hip hop cause its break beat.

Anyways ive been trying to convert my friends for years now. I prefer to give out Tiesto Sunrise 3 cd, or maybe PvD Global as a easy beginner's cd. please list other suggestions here.

It's really sad that people can not hear the music the same way I can. I guess its all that classical music background and 7 years of piano lessons that has brought me to love trance as it uses classical instruments/samples/sounds.


In the end I would like to praise all the girls that DO go to parties and show up and dance their a$$es off all night. You make up for all the other girls that have no clue what good music is.

HB = hot babe


Work It Girl

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dj rap too w00t

I dunno. I've just been into electronic music stuff forever.

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Originally posted by Masonious you win again dude - and nice move shoving the whole i figured out how to order pizza thing in my face. i tried that 4 and a half months ago and woke up with a Taiwanese transvestite but to Ygrene it's just, "anoother day in the life, noooo biggieee".

good points emil!! HBs at trance events, the icing on the cake

you're right though! let's start a revolution. Every girl you know, doesnt matter if she's hot or not, that's not what's really important in the end, just give her a few cds of some great trance, tell her to have a listen. If we can get 1 girl in 10 converted, say we all know 20 girls, that's 2 girls per guy

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Originally posted by Scottaculous Why is dance music dominanted by males?

Because I pwnz j00!!!

**Is Lord of the Dance**

**Proceeds to do Jig**

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Originally posted by Scottaculous There is no arguing that dance music the vast majority of people in the scene: DJ, producer, audience are male. It seems to me there is a bigger difference between the sexes in dance than other genres of music. Here is my evidence: * The top 100 dj list there are less than 5 female DJs. 4 if E-Vangelist counted right. ;-) * Look at the dance floor. Mostly males. Enlighten me.

I am not gay and I don't really like gay people, but I would have to agree ... most of people that I know who like electronica music in general are male. I'd say about 17 out of 20 people I knew at my high school/work/acquantances who liked some kind of electronic music, they were male. The best electronica music producers are male. The biggest fans are as well. I am not misogynist, but what the hell is going on??? I'd like more women to like electronica.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I am not misogynist, but what the hell is going on??? I'd like more women to like electronica.

read above: my conclusion paragraph dude...

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I think your question should be: "Why is everything but knitting dominated by males?"

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