and yeah, the dj interacting with crowd to me is huge. tiesto wouldnt be tiesto without the interaction, and a good dj feeds and feels the crowd, is one with the crowd, has fun with the crowd without compromising his concentration on the decks.

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Originally posted by Mattivi and scottlalicous i never once said his mixing was bad before 2001, so i fail to see your inaccurarcies. but when i think it comes to artistry and creativity in dj sets, no one steps to tiesto, IMHO. i think the reason his mixing is so flawless is because he re edits almost every track he plays(hence why he only uses cds), so it makes going from track to track so much smoother especially when the baseline is almost the same in every track

Mattivi, I think you misinterpreted what I wrote. You said, "i think the reason his mixing is so flawless is because he re edits almost every track he plays(hence why he only uses cds), so it makes going from track to track so much smoother especially when the baseline is almost the same in every track" which implies that he is making it easier for himself by reworking the tracks he plays. I was pointing out, he's always been very consistently smooth before he introduced the reworks.

Re-edits have nothing to do with adding the pvd bassline. Re-edits is when a track is rearranged or shortened or extended. All the sounds are still made by the original producer.

Furthermore, he does not play as many reworks as people may think. His latest set, Mayday 2004, he plays 1 rework, 3 edits, 2 produced tracks out of 14 tracks. That's hardly "almost every track".

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Originally posted by Scottaculous Being a PvD whore there are some inaccuracies I like to dispute. Paul's mixing has been flawless years before he started reworking tracks. Check out his pre-2001 sets. Personally I like his '99 and '00 sets. Furthermore, Paul applies more artistic touches on his sets than his Dutch counterparts. If you ever analyze sets or watch DJs work their mixers you will know where I'm headed. Paul is famous for his equalizer manipulation, bass drops, cuts, mid-track mixing and other dj tricks. Where as the Dutch plays the entire track and mixes in at the outro part of a track. Having said that, having all the DJ skills in the world is pretty worthless if the DJ can't pick the right track to play at the right moment. Personally I couldn't care less if the DJ interacts with the crowd. I'm there to hear good music, dance, party with my friends and have a good time. Only when I'm bored will I look at the DJ booth. I think it's truer to the music that way. My opinion of the set isn't influenced because the DJ smiled at me or waved at me. This is a dance club not a concert. Honorable mentions include: Sander Kleinenberg (my #2) Markus Schulz

I agree with you on some points Scott, but I think its a must that the dj interact with the crowd. If the crowd isn't feeling the dj and there is no interaction the dj will continue on his path and the crowd will either leave the floor or leave the club. Not to say I like him or anything, but look at Oakenfold from 1995 on. When he played all eyes were on him. His every move was witnessed by the crowd and they died to watch him. Thats what made Oaky, Oaky. It was never his track selection or his mixing (which is absolute shit) but if you saw him back then it was magical. When he played @ Home in Leicester Square there were 2,000 faces staring directly at him the whole night and every one of those faces were smiling not because he dropped the freshest tunes, which we all know he doesnt, but because of his aura. He was the man back then and no one has ever come close. Tiesto has a great personality and PvD has great technical skills, but to this day, Oaky doesnt even have to play a gig and everyone knows him.

Sorry to get off point, but I think it has everything to do with interaction. All professions are somewhat physical and somewhat mental, even in dj'ing. The physical (mixing) must be enhanced by the mental aspect (reading the crowd) or else the 2 both fail

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Originally posted by Scottaculous Mattivi, I think you misinterpreted what I wrote. You said, "i think the reason his mixing is so flawless is because he re edits almost every track he plays(hence why he only uses cds), so it makes going from track to track so much smoother especially when the baseline is almost the same in every track" which implies that he is making it easier for himself by reworking the tracks he plays. I was pointing out, he's always been very consistently smooth before he introduced the reworks. Re-edits have nothing to do with adding the pvd bassline. Re-edits is when a track is rearranged or shortened or extended. All the sounds are still made by the original producer. Furthermore, he does not play as many reworks as people may think. His latest set, Mayday 2004, he plays 1 rework, 3 edits, 2 produced tracks out of 14 tracks. That's hardly "almost every track".

and his mixing at Mayday was shit

sorry scott my dj lingo is obviously inaccurate, but the point i am trying to get across, is that most, not all of course, tracks has that pvd bassline, hence making the mixing easier, thats all im trying to get across. thanks for clearing things up tho. but in the grand scheme of things trying to disect these guys skills is kinda of silly, considering none of us has a tenth of the talent that these guys have!

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Originally posted by Mattivi sorry scott my dj lingo is obviously inaccurate, but the point i am trying to get across, is that most, not all of course, tracks has that pvd bassline, hence making the mixing easier, thats all im trying to get across. thanks for clearing things up tho. but in the grand scheme of things trying to disect these guys skills is kinda of silly, considering none of us has a tenth of the talent that these guys have!

No worries I think Tiesto would be much better technically if he wasn't so drunk most of the time. When he was in Atlanta 2nd to last time, him and his buddy polished off 3 bottles of vodka.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous No worries I think Tiesto would be much better technically if he wasn't so drunk most of the time. When he was in Atlanta 2nd to last time, him and his buddy polished off 3 bottles of vodka.

That can only be 1 man, Arny...Was he drinking non-stop and smoking like a chimney?

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Originally posted by Redeye That can only be 1 man, Arny...Was he drinking non-stop and smoking like a chimney?

Yep. That name sounds familiar too.

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Originally posted by Redeye Sorry to get off point, but I think it has everything to do with interaction. The physical (mixing) must be enhanced by the mental aspect (reading the crowd) or else the 2 both fail

I can't agree more... the dj is piloting everyone on the floor through the music, and if they aren't feeling the crowd, I ain't feeling them. Ferry Corsten owns in this department, and his music touches my heart a little more than Tiësto's... it just depends really which way you want to go. 6/18 = Magik ...

1) Ferry Corsten
2) Tiësto
3)Armin

tiesto does like to ride the goose.... the GREY GOOSE that is.

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