any of u thoguth abou tthis???

people take only a certain amount of cash to a club to limit themselves to how much they burst and also how much they drink.

now say the person enters the club at 12am cos of a long lineup and has money for 6 drinks.

with last call at 2am: 6 drinks in 2 hours = definite retardedness afterwards
with last call non existant: 6 drinks in at least 4 hours = pleasent longer lasting buzz

another thing that no/later last call would encourage is alcohol consumption rather than drug intake. since the bar closes at 2 and the headliner tends to start at 2 itself, drugs seem to be the only way to get a buzz post 2am

___________________
www.elkdee.com
Soundcloud sampler: www.soundcloud.com/elkdee

yup, dropping last callw ould definately help cut down drug consumption in the long run too. But sadly most politicians dont live in the real world and think about things like this.

quote:

Originally posted by malek the only point you make is that everything from everything else is different... thats some major hot air

You're right in saying that's the main point I'm making, but I don't see how you can refer to it as hot air. It is precisely the point that every city and even every suburb is different, and therefore you can't expect the same results from implementing a policy in one city as you would in another.

Think of speed limits, for example. The Autobahn has no speed limit in the left lane, people can drive as fast as they want, and it's one of the safest highways in the world. In Ontario, the speed limit used to be 120 and the highways were getting 10-car pileups. The demographics and attitudes are different, and if we made our highways exactly like the Autobahn they would still not be safe because of the people that drive on them.

For anyone with even the most fundamental critical thinking faculties, it shouldn't be too hard to apply the same logic to last call. Yes, all-day drinking works in some places, but that does NOT automatically mean it will work here. It doesn't automatically mean that it *won't* work, either, but when you're in government you tend to be a little cautious about such things.

Jay, as always you're full of rhetoric but have yet to make any cogent argument. Do you have a point, are you just bitching and moaning as usual?

___________________
My party schedule:
2009-02-21 - DJ Attention @ I'm So Popular
2009-06-18 - DJ Annoying @ People Need To Know Where I'll Be
2012-11-32 - DJ Insufferable ɸ Or At Least the Stalkers I Complain About
2048-06-66 - Spastic & Whocares ¶ Although I'm Actually Flattered
9999-45-81 - Tweaker Gimp ☼ I Probably Won't Even Go To This But I Have To Make Sure I Fill Up All The Available Space Here

quote:

Originally posted by DigiNut Think of speed limits, for example. The Autobahn has no speed limit in the left lane...

aaaaahhh maaaaaannn!!! WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??!?!? LOOOOOOLLL!!!!

quote:

and if we made our highways exactly like the Autobahn they would still not be safe because of the people that drive on them.

whatttt??? LOOOL! this is even more of a ridiculous statement than the first one!


seriously ...do a reality check, mate!

quote:

For anyone with even the most fundamental critical thinking faculties, it shouldn't be too hard to apply the same logic to last call. Yes, all-day drinking works in some places, but that does NOT automatically mean it will work here. It doesn't automatically mean that it *won't* work, either, but when you're in government you tend to be a little cautious about such things. Jay, as always you're full of rhetoric but have yet to make any cogent argument. Do you have a point, are you just bitching and moaning as usual!

how can you apply the same logic to something where 'everything is different in different places'? HAHAHAHA!!!

you're just full of sh**! whatever...go back to your books on 'critical & logical thinking'. take a hint and get out more often!

...and one last thing -stop being so derogatory to other members just cos they have a different opinion from yours and doesn't fit into your warped sense of logic!

oh! i'm sooory ...you're mr know-it-all! i forgot! whatever anyone's says you will find some kind of justification for your own fabricated BS! ...just so that YOU'RE right! stop feeding off other ppl's energy! it's weak!

___________________
life's too short~simply do!

Last edited by disko-kandi on Jun-07-2004 at 04:22

oh and by the way - don't even bother with any of your dirty, below-the-belt come backs cos they just won't pull with me or anyone else, who sees right through you!

___________________
life's too short~simply do!

quote:

Originally posted by DigiNut The Autobahn has no speed limit in the left lane, people can drive as fast as they want, and it's one of the safest highways in the world.

AND? your point is? ... 'give the peoples the freedom of choice and they will make the right choice for themselves.' -yes, that was my argument and is my belief!

> your giving yourself the answer within the argument and tripping over your own feet, all at the same time, without even noticing it! HAHAHA!!!

you're shot down! better go and pull in that tail of yours -and FAST!

___________________
life's too short~simply do!

Diginut: just because you dont agree with my arguements does not necissarily mean it's not cogent.

I find this ironic considering your Autobahn statement is quite reaching.

I do happen to agree with you though when you say that different cultures respond differently to different things. However im still not convinced that extending last call or abolishing it will make a difference in violence, excessive drinking etc. In fact for all the reasons i have stated i believe it would remain the same or even have an opposite effect since you wouldnt have everyone pouring out onto the streets at the same time after downing 5 rounds at last call.

PS the OPP actually advocates raising the speed limit to 120. In Michigan (arguably the most similar culture to us) i read a study that highway safety actually went up since they raised the limit to 70 mph (120 kmph)

to conclude:

it seems we've discussed this for long enough, so i'll give you the priviledge of 'hearing' my final thoughts.

all the points up until this far are moot. here is why:

if you consider society an organism, as known theorists have, there will inevitably be dysfunctional or ill parts of it.

here is how our discussion fits in: people will always act out and express societal dysfunctions regardless of what time the bars close or what speed limit the highways have. so continue your argument, if you must, but know that it's a waste of time because the answers that you find are useless if you're not asking the right questions!

class dismissed.

___________________
life's too short~simply do!

Last edited by disko-kandi on Jun-07-2004 at 15:22

quote:

Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee any of u thoguth abou tthis??? people take only a certain amount of cash to a club to limit themselves to how much they burst and also how much they drink. now say the person enters the club at 12am cos of a long lineup and has money for 6 drinks. with last call at 2am: 6 drinks in 2 hours = definite retardedness afterwards with last call non existant: 6 drinks in at least 4 hours = pleasent longer lasting buzz another thing that no/later last call would encourage is alcohol consumption rather than drug intake. since the bar closes at 2 and the headliner tends to start at 2 itself, drugs seem to be the only way to get a buzz post 2am

LKD, if last call is pushed back or removed, all of this will change and won't apply anymore.

last call is 3am over here, so people show up at 1am everything is different, lineup times are different too, etc etc... just because our last call is one hour later. So imagine if its 1 hour later, or 4 hours later...

dj start at different hours too, other forms of clubs appear (afterhours) etc etc...

in regular top 40 clubs where doors close when alcohol stops flowing, there's almost no drugs in the club. Drug users go to other places.

So, i frankly believe that even if last call would be removed, drug usage wouldn't change. Just move somewhere else.

___________________
[/IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/ngycqo.png[/IMG]

quote:

Originally posted by malek So, i frankly believe that even if last call would be removed, drug usage wouldn't change. Just move somewhere else.

that's the point. that goes for any restriction or ban.

...society at large is where it begins. it has failed the weakest. 'frustrations' and violence will find an outlet in one way or another, no matter what the label and how many 'bandaids' are used.

___________________
life's too short~simply do!