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Could you answer this for me?

Hardly an expert Sarah...hehe....but I do think...as you may attest to in terms of the techno realm....that too many people blindly heap judgement or draw rash conclusions on diverse and richly-emotional music while only exploring it through the spance of a proverbial key-hole.

To TRY to answer your question...and I'm not sure if i will succeed...Progressive, (if you want to speak of it in the specific genre sense) to characterize it bluntly, is a fairly formless blend of Trance, house, techo and sometimes breaks. I say formless, because by-and-large the best Prog offerings utilize hybrid programming approaches, melody and key structures, samples and new ideas on synthesizing that MOSTLY tries to avoid duplication and blends seemingly unharmonious ideas together thus preventing it becoming formulaic. Yes, indeed, there is Prog out there now that has become predictable and stale, and on the polar end, overly experimental and pretentious for it's own sake....and to that I grant no defense...but the kind that moves me, and this is fairly, a personal reflection, always offers surprise and intrigue in terms of its foundation, layers and inter-woven emotion.

Basically, It's characterization lies in layering and subtletly. That's not to say it cannot be monstrous and pounding and rampant with energy....just that it attempts to accomplish those goals in different and hopefully unique ways. Where Trance relies on the mostly cookie-cutter concepts of a simple massive synth build, predictable baseline and similar melodies, Prog and GOOD Trance, find new ways to evoke energy, emotion and rhythm by intertwining many more sub-melodies, percussion patterns, and harmonizing effects.....agian, the soul (for me) of Prog is in the layering.

To be analogous of my perception of people who say ALL Prog is boring or ALL techno is uniform or too minimal is like reading a Stephen King novel and saying ALL fiction is scary and unrealistic.

I hope that atleast attempts to answer your question Sarah

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I couldn't have defined 'Progressive' any better and I hope this sheds some light to the bashers out there.

that's what i always thought progressive was too, but the thing that confuses me, and most people, is what we call that run of the mill "chug chugga chug" stuff. just plain "progressive"?

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Originally posted by The Highroller that's what i always thought progressive was too, but the thing that confuses me, and most people, is what we call that run of the mill "chug chugga chug" stuff. just plain "progressive"?

I would say depending on the rhythm and what kind of melody and chord progressions are in it, it would either fall into a form of House, or Trance really...

yet again, "Progressive" in this nature is being regarded as a main Genre, not an adjective like it was in the past...

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Originally posted by The Highroller that's what i always thought progressive was too, but the thing that confuses me, and most people, is what we call that run of the mill "chug chugga chug" stuff. just plain "progressive"?

How about Chugressive ??

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....and how about a round of beers now everyone? shots maybe? i say that was a good debate MATES!

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Originally posted by Form&Funktion Progressive, (if you want to speak of it in the specific genre sense) to characterize it bluntly, is a fairly formless blend of Trance, house, techo

That is exactly how I described it to someone at work the other day:

A mixture of trance, house and techno, but with more structural freedom (yes, I know it is an oxymoron, live with it) and more subtle elements.

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that's what i always thought progressive was too, but the thing that confuses me, and most people, is what we call that run of the mill "chug chugga chug" stuff. just plain "progressive"?

Yep...no arguments here...there certainly is boring, ininspired Prog out there that drags on (past ten minutes in track length lately) with no real movement or payoff but I attribute that to the mentioned degree of pretension (being artsy and minimal is cool on some levels and the fact that, admitedly, this is only occuring due to it's popularity.

Unfortunatly, when a genre flourishes, there are those that try to capitalize by slapping together weak and quickly made tracks without caring about capturing real emotion, space and energy with the thinking that, "as long as I make it fit into what people perceive is the cool, front-running genre, it will sell"....and sadly it often does.

I guess, the basic raw truth here is that WITH ALL genres, for one to see the full realized potential of whichever style of EDM they wish to explore, one first has to wade through the chafe and focus on the truly innovative.

No one here can deny that every style, flavour and genre has it's discount bin of dud tracks that cast a bad light on people's opinions....but I find it proven time and again, if one cares enough to truly explore the different genres with an open mind, they will find amazing music that energizes and changes perceptions...whether it be Trance, Techno, Prog, Breaks, House, Chill out etc etc

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Originally posted by Elmo-On-XTC i doubt he'd use windows ;p

like the Macs are any better.... I've seen it crash too at a party

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