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[N]ûk|êû[Z]
The Producer Addict

Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Where Angelz Fear To Tread.

quote:
Originally posted by Icesotope
Past Yearz Hardtrance
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Interstate
Mega Lo Mania
Exit EEE
Cocooma
Nuclear Hyde
Framic
DJ Ricci & Moratto
Hitch Hiker & J. Dumondt (NO, HE'S NOT DUMONDE)
DJ Yanny & Paragod (back then when they were in Fog Area Productions)
DJ Jo
Nostrum
DJ Crack
Plug & Play
Ramirez
Revil O
John '00' Fleming (Yea he was one of the master of hardtrance back then)
Gary D (Another master of hardtrance back then, now involved in hardstyle)
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Nowadays Hardtrance
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DJ Jam-X & Dominki De Leon
Cosmic Gate
Dave 202 & Phil Green
Future Breeze Vs Junkfood Junkies (er.. hard to explain)
Mat Silver & Tony Burt
DJ Scot PRoject
Hennes & Cold
Kai Tracid
Hypetraxx
ASYS
DJ Sakin & Torsten Stenzel
Yakooza
DJ Wag
DJ Overdog (he's currently into hardstyle)
YOMC
DJ Arne ILL & Mirko Milano
Russenmafia
Schwarze Puppen
Michael Fusseder
Aquaplex
Junk Project
DJ Luca Antolini
DJ Sequenza
Walt & Feliz
Druckteknik
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Hardtrance Wannabe (Partially Hardtrance and Hardstyle)
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Trance Generators (The Beginning of Hardtrance to Hardstyle)
Lorenzo De Preti (Skam, Digital Gureillas, Tweetwoof...bla bla bla a Mix of Y4k hardtrance and hardstyle)
Warmduscher (Same as TG)
Mass In Orbit Team
DJ Tom-X
Virus Inc.
DJ Shoko & Groundzero DJ Team
Jendrick De Ruvo & La Cargo
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OTHERS (WHICH ALWAYS GETS MISTAKEN AS HARDTRANCE)
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DJ Choci & The Geezer
Lee Haslam
Guyver
Andreas Kramer (YEA He does hardtrance but under the name of JUnk Project & Aquaplex but his original part was Acidtechno and HE IS NOT ANDREAS KREMER FOR CRYING OUT LOUD)
Uberdruck Boys (The Crow, Shredda & Ludvigh, Bonito & Julio are a no no to hardtrance nor hardstyle. They have a very unique way of putting their masterpieace)
Sven-R-G & Bass T (aka Rocco & Sebastian are somehow mistaken as hardtrance by some loosers out there)
Stee Wee Bee (Another victim...)
Yoji Biomehanika
Stimulant DJs
Roosta
DJ Taylor & Flow (dot dot dot....)
Aquagen (Bullshit music)
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Pure H.A.R.D.S.T.Y.L.E.
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Technoboy (DJ Gius, K-Traxx, Tuneboy,...etc. This guy has tonnes of hardstyle alias)
DJ Stardust
Indurro
Sam Punk
Blutonium Boy (Dirk aka Session One is his "Trance" project)
The KGBs
DHHD
Lady Dana
Deepack (formally known as Frank-E & Mars-L)
DJ Zany
DJ Pavo
Smurref
Beholder & Balistic
Julian DJ & David Sonar
KAT
DJ Isaac
Supermacho May
A-Lusion
Le Brisc
DJ Activator
DJ Vortex & Arpa Dream
J.i.m.m.y. The Sound
Sisma DJ
Zenith

mint, cheers mate, you sed exactly what i wanted to say but i couldnt be arsed

and system-j i kinda agree with what your saying.. apart from uk hard trance being harder.. yeah it may be faster, but UK stuff is very tacky in my opinion, i can listen to it yeah,,., but i just dont feel it as much as german stuff.. and by german stuff i dont mean like dumonde/cosmic gate etc etc... i mean stuff by the artists usually miss in the german scene that you dont know of unless you are actually into it. i.e a lot of the artists icesotope mentioned in the past years and now a days ht section of his comment

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Jun-29-2004 17:51 England

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I Choose Noise

Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Somewhere where it's raining

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Lee Haslam is an amazing hard trance producer, but a lot of ignorant bastards on this forum will swear that he is hard house.

ur the ignorant bastards for thinking he is hard trance

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Lotus
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Registered: Nov 2003
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^^ uhhhh, he's both. I mentioned it earlier that he's both. I didn't classify him as HT only.

Jun-29-2004 19:09 United States

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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Here's my definition:

Hard trance comes in two flavours, European and UK hard trance. European hard trance puts the emphasis on the "trance", while UK hard trance puts the emphasis on the "hard". European hard trance is like most epic or anthem trance, but the kick is harder and bassier, and the bassline is tougher. The BPM is higher and there tends to be harder sounds instead of uplifting sounds. UK hard trance is essentially hard house but with more melody, and more trancy synths instead of hard house synths.

Hardstyle is different to hard trance- I personally reckon it's closer to hardcore than anything. It has very harsh kicks and the snare drums tend to have a rough sound. There's also "bouncy" and saw effects in there, and the lead doesn't have much hook to it. There are a lot of cheesier hardcore elements as well- like daft vocals.

but thats a spot on description mate well done

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Jun-29-2004 19:11

SYSTEM-J
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester

Er... are you agreeing or disagreeing with me then?

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Jun-29-2004 19:15 England

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Chang monkey
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: London

We can have this Shitty Debate whether an Artist is this 'Genre' or 'That' Genre. But IMO Lee Haslam and Artists like Guyver, do not make Hard House.

Typical Hard House:
Eufex & Jay B - Vacuum Packed
Karim - Clean & Heavy
Paul Maddox - Tension
Paul Glazby & Trauma - Fuck em all
Paul Glazy - Hostile (Nick Sentience Mix)
Ian M - Crazy Pills
Scott Cooper & Ali Wilson - Disease (Paul Maddox Remix)
Equinox - Tradesman
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Have a listen to those and then Play something like Jx - Restless (Guyver Mix), or Lee Haslam - Music is The Drug. There is a Noticeable difference. The best term to use for these artists is 'UK Hard Trance'.

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Jun-29-2004 19:57 England

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SYSTEM-J
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester

Indeed. There are also artists like BK and the Organ Donars that do a wide variety of styles, which include hard trance. The Organ Donars make things even more confusing by doing two versions of some tracks. They did a hard house version of Locked Tight, and a trance version called Locked Trance. They did the same with Rhythms Divine- the trance mix was called Rhythms Divine (Trance Intoxication), while the hard house was Rhythms Divine (Pound Your Senses).

Jun-29-2004 20:05 England

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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Er... are you agreeing or disagreeing with me then?

first post was taking the piss and second post was agreeing. so although i dont like uk hard trance at all i am agreeing with you.

all in the name of fun

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Jun-29-2004 23:10

Peter K
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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Behind The Sun

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Maybe you did, but did it ever occur to your fascist mind that other people might have different tastes? Beauty and bliss is fine in some situations, but sometimes hard music is what is needed. Stop being so bloody narrow-minded thinking that because it doesn't fit your tastes it's suddenly a disgrace to music.

yeh i guess you're right

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Ory
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Stockholm

Hm, Tekno, I don't wanna start a flamewar (again) but... if you don't like hard, monotonous music... then why is your name TEKNOking? :P

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wwu.punisher
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Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Washington State

Speaking of hard trance, I just got the new ID&T Hard Trance series release. (The 2004 edition.) It's damn cool. Jesselyn - Tonka owns me hard.

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Shemeck
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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Miami

quote:
Originally posted by [N]ûk|êû[Z]
dont laugh but DHHD are considered techno hardstyle .. not a true genre just involves less cheese elements of normal hardstyle.. tends to be a bit tougher.. DHHD are my sorta hardstyle really, and luna being my fave hardstyle DJ [hoo funnily enough is DHHD ]

I second that.

what about trance generators especially tracks like:

the dancefloor (klasic and sanders rmx) - thats one of my favourites

connected - thats one of my favourites tracks

wildstyle generation

never in danger

for me its hardstyle, but some of their tracks sounds like hard trance