Yes the stuff reported on the news should be taken with caution, as u see CNN and other channels being very liberal and FoxNews being conservative.

what is sad about liberal news channels is that they report soldiers getting killed, or the green zone getting attacked, yet they dont report on how iraq has a new central bank, schools and universities, and many other things. Saddam is gone already so the focus needs to be on rebuilding.

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Originally posted by policerobots Yes the stuff reported on the news should be taken with caution, as u see CNN and other channels being very liberal and FoxNews being conservative. what is sad about liberal news channels is that they report soldiers getting killed, or the green zone getting attacked, yet they dont report on how iraq has a new central bank, schools and universities, and many other things. Saddam is gone already so the focus needs to be on rebuilding.

Ok, let me get it right.. since when is CNNN liberal?!?!.. Did you know that about 70% of FOX news viewers are Right WIng?!?.. and did you know that more then 50% of the people that watch Fox News.. BELIEVE!!! that Saddam was behind 9/11?? False information at best, which is rather scary, isnt it?!?.. thats something for you to think about.

Theres not really a liberal media here in the United States, more like moderate I would say, which CNN falls more closely too.

Is not about the schools and churches or whatever is been built in Iraq, is about the REAL situation going on, and the American people has been blindly diverted from the real pictures and meanings of the war in Iraq perfectly, and for obvious reasons. The media praised with euphoria when the war started, with such great images that would make any american proud.. and thats great, but thats not what the real pictures or news were about.

Go out of the bubble that the US media stands in, and you will probably get a real grip or feel of the War in Iraq.. if to you is better to see a school been opened and hide the number of deaths.. then you are not wanting to receive the real truth, which is hurtful.. isnt it?.
And this is where I come about against the Right Wings.. they ( Fox News ) likes to feed what the audience wants to see, in many times, hiding the real illusion of things, and portraying only the pretty side.. never showing the whole picture of the situation. The American Media lacks this professionalism, which really needs to be checked up or be regulated.. honestly.

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Originally posted by LiquidX Theres not really a liberal media here in the United States, more like moderate I would say, which CNN falls more closely too.

That's a joke, right? CNN is definitely what I'd call conservative more than liberal - same with Fox News - but they tilt no further to the right than ABC, CBS and NBC do to the left. Print media follows similar patterns - papers like the NY Times and Washington Post are quite liberal, whereas the LA Times and Wall Street Journal are distinctly conservative.

By no means am I denying that CNN and Fox News are biased, but so are all the other major networks, just in the leftward direction. If you really want me to I'm sure I can dig up many, many studies and surveys which have proven this to be the case. There was a journalist who worked at CBS for nearly 30 years that even wrote two whole books on the horrible bias.

Denying that network news is liberally biased is like denying that Texas is Christian biased.

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no doubt network news leans left

totally agree that Foxnews leans Right. add to that, they are as overt about it as they are "fair and balanced" also.

gotta disagree with the opinion CNN is more conservative than liberal. IMO they are very subtle, almost disingenuous sometimes, with there political commentary. i'm talking about their prime time news channel BTW, not HeadlineNews channel

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Originally posted by hausmusic You dont have to tell me Hussain was a brutal dictator but as you can see i proved my point that A LOT more people would be living if Hussain was still in power.

You did no such thing.

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Originally posted by hausmusic is that a fact. And who trained Osama Bin Laden?

American CIA and Pakistani ISI...what's your point? Oh thats right, just because we trained ALLIES at the time to fight in proxy against the Soviets that means WHAT?...nothing...nothing at all. There was no Taliban then nor was there Al Qaueda...

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Originally posted by hausmusic You have to have better solutions than sanctions and war. Your talking about balls as if you have them. Your not in Iraq so STFU. If you went you would see what its like first hand, your sitting back relaxed while other families are sending their kids. YES it doesnt take a scientist to figure out you volunteer for the war. Dont most people enlist in the researves to cover costs of college and stuff... they dont expect to go to war. Its 2004 wer not savages.

Well you're not in Iraq either...so maybe you should "STFU" as well. Neither one of us, nor anyone on here, can actually say what they feel..only they can. Maybe some are happy to be liberated, at any cost..while some are pissed off...but i gather more people are happier with Saddam out of power.

Ya well you sat back in safe old Canada while i was walking distance from the WTC on 9.11...you where safe with the moose while i saw people running for their lives right past me...you where safe drinking a Molson and watching your Maple Leafs loose, yet, another game while i witnessed 9.11 with my own eyes in Manhattan...so if you ask me do i feel safer, now that America is takg no shit and elimanting people like Saddam..yes i do.

My friend's cousin just got back from Iraq, after serving 3 years in Korea...he was honored to protect his country even though he lost friends in combat...My brother's friend is a Navy Seal and has been away since the afternoon of 9.11..when my brother speaks to him he is also honored to fight for this country...and i am sure there are countless others who are honored.

And "NO" families are sending their kids to war...the soldier sent himself when he signed up for the military...it is VOLINTARY....If you sign up you HAVE to think about what happens if you do go to war..in fact recruiters tell you there is a possibility you could be called up...people are well aware of the fact that they could go to war..if they dont then they are morons to begin with. And most of the young troops signed up within the past 3-4 years...KNOWING 9.11 happened and we are at war...a soldier that is 18-23 ALLLLLLLLLLLL know that we are at war..because they had to of signed up within the past 4 years...knowing 9.11 happened...they CHOSE to go.

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Originally posted by hausmusic People have aids rallies to get money to find a cure for aids. WHy would they need to protest Aids.

you're missing the point...just like a liberal...read between the lines.

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Originally posted by hausmusic India and Pakistan ?? Nuclear war? Well they didnt go to war and now have the best relations since partition. Pakistan and India are both democratic countries... and what?

LOL LOL...oh so they stopped argueing over Kashmer?....you make me laugh.

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Originally posted by hausmusic well its all inter related isnt it. America gives money for something in return. Its never a generous helping hand its always a headlock... countries like Pakistan end up suffering because the US controls them financially.

Now i do not claim to know a lot...but what you just posted makes no sense...Pakistan is controlled by the US financially?...what in the world are you talkg about? We JUST regained a friendship with Pakistan after 9.11...whats in the water in your neighborhood? stop drinking it please.

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Originally posted by hausmusic forget it believe what you want I don't think Bush's depature will make much of a difference. As long as there are no more wars thats all I care about.

YOu mean American wars..or wars in general...i think you mean American wars...you seemt to have a deep rooted hatred for America...i have news for you...there will always be war...there has been since the begining of time. Has nothing to do with Bush.

yes navy seals and other special operaitons forces have been gone since the day of 9/11 its pretty nuts

they get the coolest toys to play with in the world

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Originally posted by DigiNut That's a joke, right? CNN is definitely what I'd call conservative more than liberal - same with Fox News - but they tilt no further to the right than ABC, CBS and NBC do to the left. Print media follows similar patterns - papers like the NY Times and Washington Post are quite liberal, whereas the LA Times and Wall Street Journal are distinctly conservative. By no means am I denying that CNN and Fox News are biased, but so are all the other major networks, just in the leftward direction. If you really want me to I'm sure I can dig up many, many studies and surveys which have proven this to be the case. There was a journalist who worked at CBS for nearly 30 years that even wrote two whole books on the horrible bias. Denying that network news is liberally biased is like denying that Texas is Christian biased.

I never said that CNN was liberal, and I can agree with you alot on that, just that I stick to the fact that CNN and the other networks are the closest to been MODERATE.. compared to the obvious fox channel.

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foxnews is funny...."fair and balanced" yea right!
every look at their polls at their website? its hilarious how conservative it is
but hey im conservative so what the hell

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Originally posted by policerobots foxnews is funny...."fair and balanced" yea right! every look at their polls at their website? its hilarious how conservative it is but hey im conservative so what the hell

It's no secret that Fox News finally offers an alternative to the liberal network news that has been stuffed down our throats for years. What I find funny is how badly liberals seem to want to censor Fox News BECAUSE it presents a more conservative point of view. What about FREE SPEECH, guys??? Does it really bother liberals THAT much that Conservatives have a media outlet as well? Wow, talk about a power hungry group of freedom haters! They have nothing to complain about.

And *Newsflash* most of the "conservative" content on Fox News that liberals complain about is O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. i.e. Shows that are not "News" shows, rather are talk shows which are designed to have an opinion on matters, one way or another. When it comes to straight news(Fox & Friends Morning Show aside--all morning news shows are gay), Fox offers better, more comprehensive news coverage of what's going on in the world. There are more news stories covered, more content delivered--finally an alternative to CNN(Which yes, leans more to the left than to the right--sorry guys, it's true).

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Originally posted by Shakka And *Newsflash* most of the "conservative" content on Fox News that liberals complain about is O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. i.e. Shows that are not "News" shows, rather are talk shows which are designed to have an opinion on matters, one way or another. When it comes to straight news(Fox & Friends Morning Show aside--all morning news shows are gay), Fox offers better, more comprehensive news coverage of what's going on in the world. There are more news stories covered, more content delivered--finally an alternative to CNN(Which yes, leans more to the left than to the right--sorry guys, it's true).

i also think the same....

also something i used to like about fox news was that when they interview people - they not only ask them ready made questions but create a good debate with the person they interview.


and to the topic,
its a real kaka i missed this debate between O & M but i read it now, and its too short, but cool

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Originally posted by Shakka And *Newsflash* most of the "conservative" content on Fox News that liberals complain about is O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. i.e. Shows that are not "News" shows, rather are talk shows which are designed to have an opinion on matters, one way or another. When it comes to straight news(Fox & Friends Morning Show aside--all morning news shows are gay), Fox offers better, more comprehensive news coverage of what's going on in the world. There are more news stories covered, more content delivered

then why do every investigation i have seen on people watching different news sources always show that fox news watchers are the most missinformed?

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finally an alternative to CNN(Which yes, leans more to the left than to the right--sorry guys, it's true).

That is certainly relative. I live in scandinavia, a rather "left" place. Most people here would consider CNN either right, or far right and extrealy pro american. and that is even tho i guess the international version of CNN is less so than the american version. You see many things in the swedish television that you will never see on CNN. yet they are not anti american in any way, they do show what good things are happening too, just that they are not very pro *something* and they actually critizice things like before the iraq war. i don't say it is unbiased - it is far from, but much less biased than most of the american medias i have seen. only way to actually get a fair world picture is too look at several medias from several parts of the world - which many people on this forums does.

Relative is a good word St. Andrew. Admittedly I have not had much exposure to Swedish TV(Just funny Swedish news stories). Relatively speaking, CNN is probably further to the right than your typical Swedish news channel given that Sweden tends to fall more on the leftward side of the political spectrum. I'd clarify to say that from an American point of view, I see CNN as left of center.