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| quote: | Originally posted by aspergian
Again, depends what works for you. 
I, for the record, am fine with "techno" being additionally used to describe the whole spectrum of Electronic Dance Music. It's an AND thing, not an OR thing. If you look in the meta tags and other search categorization terms of dance websites, you will see the interlinkage. This is not a misnomer -- it may be an impasse of terminology at times, but what can we say that really makes simple sense? Well, we can say this:
"Techno" can refer BOTH to the pantheon of EDM and a more specific style which is sometimes linked to geographic areas. And for bonus beats, let's use another analogy: you may contain the genetic material of your parents, but you are not your parents -- you are the next generation, quite literally.
TECHNO music is made based on TECHNOlogical principles. On TECHNOlogical devices. And sometimes, it's even made by TECHNOcrats. The Tofflers foresaw things like this in idea pools fermented around TECHNO rebels. And the greats, Kraftwerk, had much to say in their philosophy, including a whole generational continuum of TECHNOlogy being used in popular music, or TECHNO-pop for short. For reference, here are some choice lyrics of theirs:
Music non stop, techno-pop
Music non stop, techno-pop
Synthetic electronic sounds
Industrial rhythms all around
Music non stop, techno-pop
Synthetic electronic sounds
Industrial rhythms all around
Music non stop, techno-pop
[Spanish] La musica ideas portara (=Music will bring new ideas)
y siempre continuara (=and will continue forever)
Sonido electronico (=Electronic sound)
Decibel sintetico (=Synthetic dB)
(excerpted from: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/Kraftwerk/ecafe-e.html )
I can additionally refer to the wise words of techno pioneer Juan Atkins, who tells it like it is:
What is Techno?
"Music that sounds like technology."
There is, of course, plenty of room for discussion. But I don't mind. I just don't think EDM should experience limiting when expansion would in fact be a sager long-term approach. There are enough troubles to worry about already such as the RAVE Act and infighting between styles (i.e. people who are into drum 'n' bass who hate tranceaddicts and vice-versa). The great unifiers that bond us together will connect us all for a better, brighter future involving this TECHNOlogically-based music!
One man's green is another woman's orchard mist, after all 
tu_face: as for "breakno", I very much like the sound of that and will add it to my vocabulary. Let's use it some more.  |
I have to disagree with you, if we are going to say that an all encapacitating genre exists, it would have to be a term such as technology based music TBM maybe eh? hah, that was the first to spring up, that is the genre which every genre sprung from, techno was soon after, but techno is very distinct, It bugs me when everyone calls everything techno, the term EDM or Electronic Music needs to be utilized, because there are cases where symphonies are utilized, and EDM is hard because not all electronic music is made for dancing, Downtempo or ambient for example, or powernoise, or speedcore, all over genres exist that are simply expressions and comprise the abstract art branch of music in the electronic sense. Techno is one of the longest running genres, but it is a specific genre, it has its own sound and style, I love techno, but classifying all music under it doesnt seem logical, it only would add to confusion, I mean how do you feel when someone calls an acid techno song trance? cause In my region we introduced trance to the kids for their first EDM genre and they figure everything is trance, which is funny cause now adays none of us who spun trance even listen to it anymore so the people thought all this new stuff was trance when it was many different things. All in all I see no problem with the existant large genres that encapacitate the sub genres, Techno, House, Breaks, IDM, Downtempo, Trance, hardcore, and Jungle, and Progressive. People that arent extremely heavily into the music needn't go passed those, but the differences between those genres is quite distinct and easily enough explained with a few audio samples, the bpms, styles, and elements of each of those genres are greatly defined.
Techo heads get to be elitists, at least in the eyes of trance fans, once you get into techno you usually begin to appreciate effort put into music more and song construction aspects alot more, and that is when you realise how poor quality trance often is.
In techno there are no hoovers, emphasis is placed on all aspects of the music not just on the lead synths, trance doesnt even place much emphasis on the bassline of the tracks, Lately i have been subjected to a few trance sets and i must say it has gotten worse since i left it. In trance tracks I notice minimal use of filtering, neglegant percussion loops, horrible recycled basslines, extreme over use of hoovers (this was not the case in the 90's) as of late the synthesizer selection in a variety of trance songs is a fucking joke. Psytrance and Goa are probably one of the few innovative areas still existant in the over commercialized genre.
Presently I spin tech house, Techno, Progressive, and the occasional breaks track. I can't stand even listening to trance for very long. I more recently saw ferry corsten and PVD, now ferry I always enjoyed, he is an exception to the trance genre, although he seems to be producing more and more electro tracks hah, he was a fun guy to see but more because i think he is a great person and wanted to support him, PVD followed him and wow, Ferry i could stomach but if PVD hadn't dropped a few techno tracks I woulda probably walked out on him like all my friends did, I've heard PVD do some excelent sets, other times totally tripe this time it was a so so, except he ended with TOOL yuck, he couldn't of thrown on an old track could he, still one of his. Either way donald glaude created more energy than both of them did, Adam Freeland packed the friggen house and after ferry got off alot of people exited hah. Ferry is awesome though still got a lot of respect for the guy and would see him again, PVD only if other acts were before or after him to draw me there. Trance did have its days of glory for me, but like many people after i got way more into the electronic music scene as a whole, trance was quite bland and lackluster, in addition i find it to be one of the poorer types of music for dancing, how do you dance to a minute long hoover flood with a 0/0 beat? As i got more into DJing trance first became an unpractical genre to spin for a club sense, nowadays my ear is very attuned to electronic music and contents of music, I annalyze fully all aspects of the track from a standpoint of quite a few levels, filtration is important, and balanced filters, over use is as bad as no use, creativity in percussion, not the same 5 loops for half the song, basslines, this is probably one of the big things that can make a song shine (avus real for example, picotto - verdi, the list goes on) synthesizer selection and implementation, All electronic genres utilize synthesizers, techno can have very intricate melodies tossed over a track but the melody is the least of the concerns, as it should be, the lead melody is not what you are dancing to, it is a semi important layer that requires much varyation, then of course there are many back ground synths tossed in, this adds the variety and uniqueness to a track, there are thousands and thousands upon thousands of synths out there, and with sampling unique percussion is attainable as well (aphex twins early works utilized him banging on pots and pans which he tweaked and tossed into tracks) that is the kind of things a great majority of todays trance producers do not do, I have sampled and dabbled in so many types of EDM from acid jazz, to expirimental powernoise (very little in the powernoise hah, heard a few tracks of this and read alot about what it is about) i enjoy Downtempo, IDM, House, Breaks, Progressive, Techno the most, but I also hear jungle tracks i don't mind either, and trance dating 01 and before I don't mind or enjoy, IE: Rapid Eye - Circa Forever (Rapid Eye Remix), cafe del mar (not the marco V mix hah) and the tracks from even before that. it is my oppinion that as your knowledge of electronic music grows you are likely to branch away from trance, and possibly never return, I know i will never again feel how i used to for it, but I find even greater pleasures in other music types these days, also as your exposure grows what you once called trance you realise actually is not trance at all, i know many people with a lower knowledge of what seperates trance and techno mistake techno trakcs for trance and other genres as well,
I am not trying to troll, or flame, just stating pretty truthful comments about all EDM, now yes there are genres that require way less talent acrossed the board IE hardcore, very little skill is involved in any aspect of this music including HHC (I don't even consider this music, just annoying noise) But the reason techno heads probably seem snobby is because there music is more elaborate, and thus they look down upon trance, If you want to witness the distaste for trance people get after a very prolonged and well versed knowledge in music hop to the discogs forum and ask them what they think of trance haha, www.discogs.com, some of the most hardcore flames you'll ever see in your life come from there, IDM junkies, House Addicts, and Techno Heads, all dispise trance there haha, and rightfully so some have been spinning house and acid jazz since before trance existed (yes over 20 years hah) I don't discourage anyone from listening to trance, many people do for a while and love it, but I hope this kinda clarifys the "elitism" as it appears to many trance addicts that many people into other genres seem to hold. For me it is all about the groovin rhythm, and a bit of spice if you will, i love tracks with that salsa feel, trance just doesn't really embody those, even the trance I enjoyed hah.
All in all, trance is a great place to get your feet wet in EDM, It is humble beginings for many but there is so much out there, don't be suprised if you venture from it in a few years hah.
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Last edited by DJDigDug on Jul-31-2004 at 01:03
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), tech-trance/trancey techno (yes there is a difference in my books).
