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Originally posted by smokeape Getting out in a year? Chapter 13,14, or 15? You're beyond the entry level separation. [[[smoke]]] Audio Sweet - Sunshine After the Rain (Club Mix)

I'm seperating in a year.

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Originally posted by Radagast If they actually had a brain of their own to think with they wouldn't be in the military in the first place. It's their own fault if they join a military which has policies that might severely conflict with their moral beliefs.

Myself and other people currently in Iraq thank you for calling us all idiots.

Enjoy sleeping in tomorrow.

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Originally posted by Seventil Myself and other people currently in Iraq thank you for calling us all idiots. Enjoy sleeping in tomorrow.

Dont humor it with replies. Spec started this thread to start arguments. Rise above it.

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Originally posted by Radagast Joining the military isn't about college scholarships, making friends, or travelling the world. It's about gambling your life and being directly controlled by the government. Everyone should go into the armed forces with this in mind. Yes those people are stupid spec. They see a Marines AD on TV showcasing its scholarship plan or a Navy AD showing how great it is to travel the world. Then they join the military thinking that that's what they are going to have to look forward to. Wrong. I guess people in the situations you describe found this out the hard way.

This is complete ignorance.

Next year - when I'm out - here is what I will have accomplished:

3 years living in the US (Mississippi and Idaho)
1 AA in Information Technology
1 BA in Theology
6 total months of time deployed in a hostile location (Kuwait 3 months, Qatar 3 months)
4 1/2 years living in Italy
Money I will have when I get out: over 50K in investments (this isn't including my nice car + furnishings + everything else I've bought... I live well)
Countries I've been to because of being in the military: over 30
Amount of European girls I've slept with because I've been in the military: a mute point really

Get my drift? The military isn't that bad. I've done so many things, met so many people and had enough experiences that I could die today and have more interesting stories and have lived a more adventurous life than 90% of the people in America.

Don't talk shit about something you don't know. The military isn't full of mindless retards like you make it out to be. There are good and bad people everywhere. Try getting educated on something before you spread your ignorant propaganda to the good people on this board.

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Originally posted by Ang ' ela_ie Dont humor it with replies. Spec started this thread to start arguments. Rise above it.

Had to set the record straight. -- Sorry sweetie.

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Originally posted by Seventil Had to set the record straight. -- Sorry sweetie.

Its hard to argue with you.

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I guess you guys don't get it. It's not the military's fault about what we do, it's the government. I hate it when people bash the military when it's the governments fault because of the mistakes they made.

It's just like any other job. If your boss makes a dumb decision you do not blame the employees.

I think this conversation is mostly the ones who want to experience something new vs those who haven't been to army and like it that way.

I say it's hard to say what the army is like until you've been there. Here in Finland armed service/or longer civil service is compulsory, so to me army is just one of the many things in my life. It is true that Finland doesn't send it's soldiers to wage war whatever the cause may be, we only have peacekeepers.

How does army change people? Well I can say that my friends that are atm in the army or have did their service are more tolerant towards other people (they know they are not the centre of the world, which is good I think), overall they are more mature. Most of my friends don't like army, but if it has changed them it has done so in a good way.

It's a common problem here in Finland that people don't like the army, and the reason isn't guns etc, it's the deprivation of freedom and the schedule in the army. They just aren't used to that sort of thing. So in my opinion people these days could be a bit more patriotic, many here in Finland forget that without our army we'd be speaking russian now (no offence russian is a nice language) and we would not be as rich and civilized nation as we are now.

One has to remeber there are only losers in war, but still I'm looking forward for my time in the army which begins in January. I'm glad that the politicians in Finland are wise enough so that I do not have to experience combat.

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Originally posted by Michael19 not really, considering they are very few peacekeeping missions. and only happen in a few african coutries and elsewhere.

actually it seems to me that we ignore some of the needed peace keeping missions in africa. like genocide in the sudan, for example.

i dont kn ow why (seriously) but i dont have a high opinion of the military. like i would do everything i can to not serve and the idea of the wars we are fighting disgusts me. i dont know if i perhaps have been brainwashed the wrong way or what but there has to be some reason i have such negative feelings about the military.

I personally have the US Armed forces to thank for my life.

I was in Kuwait during the Inavasion, and had anyone interceded, I doubt that I would have survived.

I don't have to agree with what the ideaology what drives the wars or what have you, but I will not demean or insult those that serve in the armed forces. Whether it is against their will or not, they are still providing services in hostile areas that most civilians will never see.

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Originally posted by Seventil This is complete ignorance. Next year - when I'm out - here is what I will have accomplished: 3 years living in the US (Mississippi and Idaho) 1 AA in Information Technology 1 BA in Theology 6 total months of time deployed in a hostile location (Kuwait 3 months, Qatar 3 months) 4 1/2 years living in Italy Money I will have when I get out: over 50K in investments (this isn't including my nice car + furnishings + everything else I've bought... I live well) Countries I've been to because of being in the military: over 30 Amount of European girls I've slept with because I've been in the military: a mute point really Get my drift? The military isn't that bad. I've done so many things, met so many people and had enough experiences that I could die today and have more interesting stories and have lived a more adventurous life than 90% of the people in America. Don't talk shit about something you don't know. The military isn't full of mindless retards like you make it out to be. There are good and bad people everywhere. Try getting educated on something before you spread your ignorant propaganda to the good people on this board.

Well at least you sell your soul for money, and not just misguided nationalism.

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