Oakey was a pioneer, he lost his love for it and the music, his sets now-a-days are horribly programmed and mixed

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The problem is the music is different. I don't think he can carry of playing trance like he used to because the trance now (Ferry Corsten/Thrillseekers) is nowhere near as good as the trance available to him say during the Cream Era. Take Tilt for example. THOSE tunes from back then to rubbish like 'Headstrong.' Yet another example of the need to play something different.(Although - he did play Headstrong. It's still crap though.)

Also it's such a shame that some of the best tunes Oakey's played have been out and I've not known what they are...never too be found out. At Heaven in 2002 He played this Banging, Dark Progressive tune which broke into this sickly sweet cheerful melody before dropping into breakbeat and darkness again, before all came back together again. IT WAS AN AWESOME Track, and I will never find out what is is called. Gutting.

wow it appears we have the number one DJ flamer here, Laushinameee and the biggest Oakie 'fan' ever squaring off!

Well not really, as either is too biased to discuss anything. As for Oakie? Most people stopped paying attention. For most he was one of the first (in various means, regards and ways - hopefully non-sexual). His songs arent exactly 'narrow' whatever that means, though he does carry a distinct sound. As for his mixing, gzmums states:

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The type of music he plays doesn't suit long drawn out mixes, if you like that then listen to 'elevator' music Sasha. I also like the way in which he mixes instantly, where he brings in a new tune straight away.

Note: that isnt mixing, its called pushing play. And I can even gather (maybe) to figure elevator music Sasha could bore some. But at least Sasha doesnt just play 9mins of a trance/breaks/prog/jungle song and then 'push play' on the next.

On a side note: This is cool, I havent participated in an Oakie bashing in some time! Reminds me of back in the day on TA when everyone wasnt a flaming noob. Well some were, but at least there were less new ones everyday.

That being said, he has done quite a bit, and continues to. Yet I dont know how people that love Oakie can bash the AVB/Tiesto(Oakie-lite, i mean late)/PVD whores...youre all doing the same thing!

Just like Laushinameee is doing for the elitist know it all prick segment of TA|

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Originally posted by biznology Note: that isnt mixing, its called pushing play. And I can even gather (maybe) to figure elevator music Sasha could bore some. But at least Sasha doesnt just play 9mins of a trance/breaks/prog/jungle song

See, this is one thing that bothers me. Sure, big name artists tend to play off of a CDJ, but who in their right mind would tote around 70 or something vinyl's every night for a gig? Vinyl can get pretty damn heavy! I dont't think we should judge a performer based on how they play the music. If oakenfold played the guitar and one day he played the electric guitar and still produced the same sound, or if he recoreded himself playing the guitar and played it via CD, would that make him less of the producer/dj that they are?

Seriously now, we can't give the man flak, or any artist for that matter - based on how they choose to play their music, wether it be via cdj, decks, or the harmonica.

One of the big things that make a DJ who they are is the way they present themselves. One of the reasons why for instance; armin is popular is because he smiles his entire set, he gets the crowd going, he puts his hands in the air and he gets the crowd interaction, Oakenfold ceased to do that, nor have I ever seen or heard of Armin leaving a set early, not even 5 minutes early. It's the way you present yourself I feel, and Oakenfold lacks in that field more so then anybody else with that big a name.

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Originally posted by biznology Note: that isnt mixing, its called pushing play. And I can even gather (maybe) to figure elevator music Sasha could bore some. But at least Sasha doesnt just play 9mins of a trance/breaks/prog/jungle song and then 'push play' on the next.

What I am saying about the 'pushing play' is that it is necessary, not a get out clause. The mixes require this to happen otherwise they will sound wrong. If we take the World Tour (again) as an example, it is agreed (?) that the mixing is very good in these sets, yet there are more instant mixes than anywhere else. A classic being 'Nat Monday - Nucleus' into 'Indica - Pink Bomb' in the Shadow Lounge Mix. A long mix removes the character from Nucleus and the impact from Pink Bomb. Plus, I think this is quite a hard skill in itself. To have the guts to pull off this type of mix - and make it sound right, is quite impressive in my opinion. Trying to make the jump so smooth is very hard, try it if you DJ.

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Originally posted by gzmums What I am saying about the 'pushing play' is that it is necessary, not a get out clause. The mixes require this to happen otherwise they will sound wrong. If we take the World Tour (again) as an example, it is agreed (?) that the mixing is very good in these sets, yet there are more instant mixes than anywhere else. A classic being 'Nat Monday - Nucleus' into 'Indica - Pink Bomb' in the Shadow Lounge Mix. A long mix removes the character from Nucleus and the impact from Pink Bomb. Plus, I think this is quite a hard skill in itself. To have the guts to pull off this type of mix - and make it sound right, is quite impressive in my opinion. Trying to make the jump so smooth is very hard, try it if you DJ.

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althought "A rare treat" (EM from 97) was very wide, i didnt even like it. I thought Danny Howells did a much better job of an eclectic set in 2002, give it a listen.

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Originally posted by gzmums What I am saying about the 'pushing play' is that it is necessary, not a get out clause. The mixes require this to happen otherwise they will sound wrong. If we take the World Tour (again) as an example, it is agreed (?) that the mixing is very good in these sets, yet there are more instant mixes than anywhere else. A classic being 'Nat Monday - Nucleus' into 'Indica - Pink Bomb' in the Shadow Lounge Mix. A long mix removes the character from Nucleus and the impact from Pink Bomb. Plus, I think this is quite a hard skill in itself. To have the guts to pull off this type of mix - and make it sound right, is quite impressive in my opinion. Trying to make the jump so smooth is very hard, try it if you DJ.

i think this type of mixing is awsome, because it instantly makes you forget about the last song, and instantly lets you enjoy the current song. you dont have to worry about how the two songs interact.

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Originally posted by biznology Note: that isnt mixing, its called pushing play. And I can even gather (maybe) to figure elevator music Sasha could bore some. But at least Sasha doesnt just play 9mins of a trance/breaks/prog/jungle song and then 'push play' on the next.

I've just read this again and it makes no sense, common or grammatically.

"gather to figure" ?????

And Sasha plays totally different music. It lacks emotion, the sound is meaningful in a different way that I cannot describe. It is meaningful - but not emotional. That is why I don't like it. Oakey plays a lot harder aswell. You can mix music together for ages, but you can't mix emotions (in some cases) for very long.

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Originally posted by Orko ^^^^Thank you, other who actually know what they are talking about. (and not just because the agree with me) althought "A rare treat" (EM from 97) was very wide, i didnt even like it. I thought Danny Howells did a much better job of an eclectic set in 2002, give it a listen. i think this type of mixing is awsome, because it instantly makes you forget about the last song, and instantly lets you enjoy the current song. you dont have to worry about how the two songs interact.

I like the tracks and the variety on "A Rare Treat", however the mixing and the programming is definitely lacking. I agree that a quick mix on certain tracks is necessary. For example, Brainchild's Symmetry C (Lange Breaks Mix) doesn't lend well to beat match mixing. On the same token, Oakenfold does this way too much and, in some instances, it's not necessary. I don't think he's very good technically, but I still enjoy his music, especially the Essential Mix World Tour era.

On top of that, I heard he played a cd here one of the times he played. Not only did he play a previously mixed cd, but one with several errors on it. That I cannot respect. If you are getting paid good money to play a party, play the party. Very few people in the know will argue that Oakenfold is one of the best technical mixers, but he does select good tracks and usually programs them well. He plays to the crowd, when into it, such as he was this past year at WMC, playing Space. I really enjoyed his set there, even though there were flaws. He was more consistent than usual, of late, and he was into it, playing to the crowd.

I must say the fact that he is in the top 10 dj's in the world, at least on djlist.com, is disgusting. Many dj's out there are better than him and more deserving of that spot.

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personally i don't know what everyone is talking about oakie not playing trance anymore. i agree that last year he played a lot of proggier stuff...but if people have listened to his newer sets this year (which i'm sure most of the people doing the bashing haven't) he is playing a lot of the same stuff that tiesto plays...

I have heard that Oakey has used whole CD's instead of mixing live out. I don't for one second believe this otherwise when he is out and looks bored to be there, surely he would just stick a CD on. It has been levelled at him that he does this when the set is being broadcast on the radio, but again, I have been present at radio broadcast evenets and physically watched him mixing live. I think what is more likely is that maybe two particularly difficult tunes are recorded mixed together so that he he achieves the required effect out but doesn't fuck up. An example of this is his mix from 'Li Kwan - Point Zero' into 'Fu Man Choo - Outlaw' from his Gatecrasher 2001 mix. This is the set that I the 'CD set' rumours came from as far as I am aware.

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Originally posted by gzmums I've just read this again and it makes no sense, common or grammatically. "gather to figure" ????? And Sasha plays totally different music. It lacks emotion, the sound is meaningful in a different way that I cannot describe. It is meaningful - but not emotional. That is why I don't like it. Oakey plays a lot harder aswell. You can mix music together for ages, but you can't mix emotions (in some cases) for very long.

You must have only seen Sasha a couple of times. The guy plays a wide variety of music and a lot of it has emotion. I have been bored watching him and Digweed play together, at times. However, when they have played separate, both have been fantastic. Sasha drops a mixture of progressive and trance, usually. Last time I saw him live he closed his set with Koglin's Enjoy the Silence (Tekara Mix) mashed up with the melody from Wavy Gravy. It was amazing and very emotional.

Have you ever heard "In a State" by Uncle (Sasha Mix)? I would say that's fairly emotional as well, and he played that a lot, including the last time I saw him. The only reason I don't go see him most of the times he's here is that the clubs are usually too crowded and I've seen him a bunch of times.

In addition, Sasha is a far better producer than Oakenfold and a far better mixer. He actually knows how to mix and is consistent. Say what you will about quick mixes having impact, but abusing those mixes indicates an inability to play properly. I don't care how good your timing is. If I were to see a dj time every drop right, but drop mix every mix, I would think he had weak skills. Djing is about being rounded and fluid. Sometimes Oakie is fluid, and other times his mixes are abrupt and cacaphonous.

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