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Originally posted by Epicurus Fine, then until this evidence comes up, I don't believe you're entitled to hold that position since you have no evidence to support it.

There is evidence, you just havnt got easy access to it and probably don't want to believe it. Check out the website I posted. Its not proof nothing is proof but at least open your mind to the possibilities.

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Deejiuana, believe me when I tell you that I am intelligent and wise enough to draw my own conclusions without help from the aformentioned "powerful ones"

trust me, i am glad you are...

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Uh huh...so I guess, by your own admission, that means you're an agnostic regarding everything

well, with what has been going on lately and with all the things people have been believing yet realizing that it was wrong, and with all my personal experiences in my life, i tend to be like that....not on every single thing, but on a lot of things....

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You're just asking me to come up with evidence to everything i say, and well, i am not really gonna do that - i believe in things without needing any evidence...you may not.....and here, you obviously dont....i dont want this to go on forever, so wotever, i said what i wanted to say....

Well, unlike you, I believe that beliefs should be supported by evidence. Otherwise, let's all believe in pink unnicorns. I also said what I wanted to say.

Pink unicorms exist - i just saw one out the window.....

glad this didnt turn into a "fuck u, u lil fuck, why dont u believe this u fukin stupid ignorant"....

omg, now a blue unicorn...wow....

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There is evidence, you just havnt got easy access to it and probably don't want to believe it. Check out the website I posted. Its not proof nothing is proof but at least open your mind to the possibilities.

Discojoe,
I'm checking it out as we speak. There's lots of info there, so it might take me a while. As for my mind being open, it always is. I never said my beliefs were static and not open to change. They may change, according to the evidence presented.

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Pink unicorms exist - i just saw one out the window.....

Well in that case, give me what you're on...I wanna see them too

Lentil soup.....

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Originally posted by Epicurus Are you being serious? I thought I already posted this article. I guess you must have overlooked it as evidence. Bodies identified in Pentagon attack The point being that they have already identified all people killed on flight AA 77 (except for 5 of them because no remains were found) AT the pentagon site! What more evidence do you want? Let's see, a plane containing these passengers dissapears that day. They have all the names on that plane, and all these people's remains (except for 5) show up on the pentagon lawn. Can you please explain to me how that could happen in your scenario?

Yes I am being serious. That article is about the funeral ceremony that was held. Nobody disputes that the flight was highjacked, went went missing or that the people died. But that article you posted twice is just an article claiming there was a funeral procession. It has nothing to do with where they were found. I ask you about evidence of 100s of eye witness accounts. I ask about NO evidence that a 100 decibal jumbo jet flew over a city of 7 million people and you give me evidence of a funeral procession.

I don't know what that law is called but let me ask you this. What's the simplest explanation. That one of the world's largest jumbo jets loud enough to deafen people flying so low it would crash into street lights flew over a city with 7 million people and NOBODY saw it. Or no jumbo jet ever flew over the city?

Just because they found people and remains and had a funeral for them doesnt mean they found them in the pentagon.

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Originally posted by Epicurus Discojoe, I'm checking it out as we speak. There's lots of info there, so it might take me a while. As for my mind being open, it always is. I never said my beliefs were static and not open to change. They may change, according to the evidence presented.

Cool i never thought you would. Who knows like deejuana said, we may be wrong. 9/11 may have been nothing more than a well organized terrorist attack. But i think we owe it to ourselves and our countries to at least look into the possibilities it wasnt.

Screw the unicorns,lets talk about blackholes

blackholes has been confirmed to be immensely dense structures,so dense it can absorb whole galaxies,even light,just everything in its way and its speed is literally wicked,and its believed that in a black hole,time stops,nothing else exists.Yet we all learned that "nothing" cannot exist since its nothing,so there comes the theory of parallel universes (well more say that at a certain time,its get incredibly dense yet small,and it implodes giving birth to supernovas,but right before the supernova,it becomes a pulsar,but thats something else). The calculations behind this theory are very precise and accurate,yet again,no one's been in a black hole. We base ourselves on calculations,which most of time are precise but not 100% sure since we havent been there and we do not know nor have all the knowledge surrounding this phenomenon yet.So all of this,the theory on blackholes,unicorns,they're imaginary since we have no human way to confirm their existence/theory. So i think we're in a right to make any suppositions we want since well we dont know cause we havent been there,even the craziest of arguments can be taken.But for this 9/11, the facts are there,only thing blocking us from having access to this information is other humans who gained control over it.Why contain and hide information from people who voted for this administration and trust that goverments to lead them to safety?Why hide it if there's nothing wrong/nothing to hide? The voters has a right to know since it concerns them now more then ever cause they are the targets now.


Perhaps there's a good methodological way to get threw our statements,well i havent followed philosophy in university, but doesnt mean the poor mortal who didnt follow that course cant have any logical order in his ideas/arguments. We has thinking beens are gifted ,we can think and elaborate ideas in different ways,as crazy as they might sound. Galileo was sent to the "nut house" for elaborating his theory,that was revealed true after. He was ignored because he went against the writting of a solidly based institution that was christianism and the bible. Lucky Darwin didnt suffer the same faith even though he came close to it. So going against "stated facts" often bring doubt,the doubt that we need to actually look for the truth,thats where we see the human .

For the pentagon, gallons gallons of kerosene flaming reaching wicked temperatures that could melt metal,yet they founded bodies in this hell...dunno bout that,could be possible since we made clear that nothing is sure unless we're there. But probably should have been seriously burned,to id them,should have been dna tests,takes weeks if not months to id them all. So the funeral and all,i dont know about that.

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Yes I am being serious. That article is about the funeral ceremony that was held. Nobody disputes that the flight was highjacked, went went missing or that the people died. But that article you posted twice is just an article claiming there was a funeral procession. It has nothing to do with where they were found. I ask you about evidence of 100s of eye witness accounts. I ask about NO evidence that a 100 decibal jumbo jet flew over a city of 7 million people and you give me evidence of a funeral procession.

Alright, so you're telling me that flight AA-77 disappeared on 9/11/2001 in the same time frame as the pentagon attack, that passengers on that plane died since they had a list of names of people on that plane and found the remains of those same people, BUT that somehow, flight AA-77 crashed and killed all those people somewhere else in this universe, completely unknown to us.

As far as I'm concerned, if you concede that these people were on the plane, these people died, that they found their remains and burried them, but that something else did the damage to the Pentagon, then you have to show me where flight AA-77 crashed since it obviously wasn't at the Pentagon according to you. Please explain to me how an entire plane disappears, crashes, people die in it "somewhere else" without anyone noticing this or even reporting about it!

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Lentil soup.....

Moujaddara...nasty Thanks but no thanks