Originally posted by Tordan
The desire to have kids or even adopt is not out of greed or selfishness but rather out of love. This is ************ of sexuality. You concern yourself with the mental health of the child? Oh please, the child needs a loving and nurturing environment go grow up in. The parents' sexual preference has nothing to do with it.
Only a man and a woman can make a baby. Rationalize it all you want, you can't get past this fact.
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Your idea of the "Brave New World" is from the movies.
Actually it's a book.
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Dec-10-2004 06:22
ShadoWolf
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Originally posted by Cyrus King
My muslim brother.. why are you so angry? Freedom for all! Even immigrants like you!
Interesting issue: how do you Fuslims feel about homosexuality?
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Dec-10-2004 06:25
torontobarfly
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Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Unless we want a Brave New World where all kids are born in test tubes, traditional marriage must be saved.
lol, so you're saying that now that same sex marriage is allowed all the str8 people are going to start marrying their own sex and traditional marriage is a thing of the past?? if that's not what you're saying then what are you worried about....all the breeders are still going to get married, spit out their kids, and then get divorced a few years later......
you're traditional marriage is safe and sound....
also,how do you argue that the gay community is only 1-2% of the population yet gay marriage will mean the downfall of the family unit as we know it......you can't argue it both ways...
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Dec-10-2004 06:32
Tordan
Anti BS Alliance
Registered: Jun 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada
quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Only a man and a woman can make a baby. Rationalize it all you want, you can't get past this fact.
True, but when they can't make a baby of their own or a surrogate is not an option they adopt. Rationalize that.
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Dec-10-2004 06:35
ShadoWolf
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Originally posted by Tordan
True, but when they can't make a baby of their own or a surrogate is not an option they adopt. Rationalize that.
Since only a man and a woman can have children, only a man and a woman should raise children.
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Dec-10-2004 06:49
dEsidEL
Fu Man Choonz
Registered: Aug 2000
Location: Below the Belt
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Originally posted by DigiNut
private property
so wait.. YOU'RE NOT A COMMUNIST ??
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Dec-10-2004 06:54
Cyrus King
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto
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Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Interesting issue: how do you Fuslims feel about homosexuality?
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Dec-10-2004 06:57
torontobarfly
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still waiting for shadowolf to respond to my comments a few posts up......
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Dec-10-2004 07:01
ShadoWolf
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Originally posted by torontobarfly
still waiting for shadowolf to respond to my comments a few posts up......
It's not just about two people minding their own business doing their own thing.
They're FORCING us to accept their definition of marriage.
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Dec-10-2004 07:06
torontobarfly
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Originally posted by ShadoWolf
They're FORCING us to accept their definition of marriage.
they're telling you what the government recognizes as marriage...whether or not you accept it is up to you...you're not being forced to like it or embrace it....you're church doesn't have to enforce it.....if it doesn't affect you directly why does it bother you so much....
and as you claim,if the percentage of gay people is so small why even worry about the family unit being tarnished....
when it boils down to it this issue doesn't change you or your life in any way....if you don't agree on it based on your moral beliefs then argue that...but don't say that it's going to ruin marriage as we know it and change the scope of the world, because it isn't...
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Dec-10-2004 07:20
Jayx1
Prime Minister of TOTA
Registered: Feb 2003
Location: The Socialist People's Republic Of Canada
My attitudes on this are not necissarily cookie cutter nuclear because i described many different scenarios that do not necissarily describe a "traditional setting". The only constant in all scenarios were that there were a strong female and male role model in the child's upbringing regardless of whether the family were gay or hetrosexually based. I think many gay people would probably also agree with my assessment. The fact that 2 genders exist in this world is simply the reason why 2 genders need to be present as a child shapes his/her ideas about the world. Otherwise the child is getting only half the story in my opinion.
Again let me stress that i am not against same sex adoption as long as there is an agreed third party who is of opposite sex who will also "parent" that child.
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