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Yo_Mo
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I know 3 words: da, ni, suka

Old Post Dec-12-2004 22:37  Iran
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Yan
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Russian is one of the hardest languages to learn.

We conjugate both verbs AND nouns.

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ShadoWolf
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quote:
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We conjugate both verbs AND nouns.






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Old Post Dec-12-2004 22:52  United Nations
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Yan
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Well maybe "conjugate" isn't the right word...

An example would be like:

"To drink", in Russian, is "piht".
"Water", in Russian, is "vada".

But if you want to say "drink water", it's "pey vohdoo".

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jonSun
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quote:
Originally posted by Yan
Russian is one of the hardest languages to learn.

We conjugate both verbs AND nouns.


I heard Japenese is the hardest.


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Yan
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Originally posted by jonSun
I heard Japenese is the hardest.


Japanese is easy. I'm learning it right now and it's nowhere near as hard as Russian.

All that's challenging is memorizing the different kanji.

Otherwise, Chinese is the hardest if you plan on the memorizing the thousands of dialects.

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Vlad
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quote:
Originally posted by miamitrance04
porque no hablamos espanol???


Quien? Aprendi espanol por 8 anos pero yo nunca lo utilizo y yo lo me olvido.

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Lira
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quote:
Originally posted by Yan
Japanese is easy. I'm learning it right now and it's nowhere near as hard as Russian.

All that's challenging is memorizing the different kanji.

Erm, not really.

Despite of the exceptions, Russian conjugation of nouns, adjectives and verbs is by no means harder than the Japanese conjugation of adjective, verbs and the extensive use of particles. Oh, and Japanese has a more complex way of addressing people.

First of all, Russian has a strictly smaller amount of time tenses (if you don't count perfective and imperfective verbs as being the same thing, every verb has, at most, 2 forms), whereas there are 5 or 6 forms for every Japanese verb (not counting the suffixes, so I'm counting "kaite", "kaita" and "kaki" as the same form of the verb "kaku"). The only feature of Russian verbs that is more complex than Japanese verb conjugation is naturally, the persons (whereas you have only "kakimasu" in formal Japanese, for example, you'd have "pishu", "pishet" and all the other forms). That could be explained by a completely different use of pronouns in Japanese.

As for the adjective conjugation, Japanese does conjugate adjectives as well, and it is in fact more complex than Russian conjugation because not only you conjugate the case (most adjectives in Japanese are actually adjective verbs) but the time tense.

Finally, the noun conjugation is a bit tricky. In a very strict sense, you can consider the particles as noun suffixes, which would remind a foreign student of that padezh thing in Russian. So "ya cobaky vizhu" and "Cobaka menya videt" could be considered analogue to "(watashi wa) inu wo mitte iru" and "Inu wa watashi wo mitte iru".

Obviously, there are things about Russian language that are more complex than their Japanese counterpart (such as phonology), but it's not accurate to say that a certain language is harder than another. They're completely different things.

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Originally posted by Yan
Otherwise, Chinese is the hardest if you plan on the memorizing the thousands of dialects.

I'm trying to understand what someone would do this for: once you learn the national dialect, you might want to learn a regional dialect (which can be as different as another language), but not only you can't count them all as being a single language (for studying purposes)... and this is mostly optional.


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Sunquest
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Registered: Jan 2004
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u guys forgot,!!!!

BLYAT
#1 RULE, After every sentence or if sentance is too long, so after every 5 words, you HAVE to say BLYAT in there...
#1 rule, fuck the rest, this is all u need to know, blyat


now, wheres my absolute!!!

PS: i forgot to mention it means Shit or f*ck hehe, same thing almost


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AlphaStarred
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Location: Brooklyn, NY

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Well, it sure depends on your conception of "perfect pronounciation" and what your mother tongue is.

Learning other European languages may often be tricky for English native speakers when it comes to pronounciation, I reckon. Whereas you guys enhance the difference between "pie" and "buy" by aspirating the "p" a little bit, it doesn't always happen, so you might have problems when trying to distinguish these sounds in other languages (but don't worry - even though this will show your foreign accent, you will be understood). This sort of problem may happen with many other consonants (specially the letter "r": you guys seem to often perceive our "r" as one or several "t" and "d" in a row), but in most cases there will be communication.

The same goes for vowels (English has a quite "fixed" vowel and dipthongs system), so you might have some problems in this case too, but some practice can once again improve pronounciation.

Anyway, probably the thing people complain the most about Russian language is the palatalisation (i.e. soft consonants and dypthongs). This shouldn't be that much of a problem though, because when it's properly explained you can have a better idea of how to say it. Anyway, most times I mispronounced it, I've never been misunderstood, so I don't think it'll bring major problems in communication. You often "guess" what the person says out of the context so, if midnight a Russian girl tells you "I'm sleepy... goot night, I'm off to bet", since she mispronounced "good" for "goot", you know that "off to bet" doesn't mean she's going to play poker



that type of mispronounciation as a rule occurs with people, particularly Russians as you mention, when they're not conversant with the english language; by and large coming to pass when a Russian person essays to learn english at middle-age or later.

and if you're, incidentally, a person who's native language is none other than Russian, but have likewise become fluent in English, such as myself, you shan't have a problem with uttering "R" in both fashions

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Earthsnail
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Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Atlanta, Georgia

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
Ya hachoo prosto naytee peezdu vpervich. Patom boodim doomat shto sney delat.



.....wtf I said I wanted to learn russian. I feel as if I'm being left out of the conv...


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PhloTron
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Registered: Jun 2002
Location: Isle of Spam

You don't speak Russian...Russian speaks you


Oh..and the Blyat thing ... funny...we hear those fools say that every time they make a mistake on the ice playing hockey...so you know it isn't the first thing you say when you step off the plane in Moscow


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