oh how I'd love to be proven wrong...

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Originally posted by marcomarco First off, Unity is dead. Mourn it and move on. Secondly, the Guv/Kool Haus is a great club. I have never seen a metal detector there nor have I had to wait any more than a minute to be served. Some gay guys get mad and have a bad experience no matter what. Toronto is cheaper than New York and has friendlier and hotter guys, so, people will always come to Toronto Pride. Thirdly, these are PRISM events, not Toronto Pride events. There is no connection whatsoever between PRISM and Pride Toronto except that they happen on the same week. Pride Ball Toronto, the non-profit that organized last year's Pride Ball will not be involved this year. The circuit community world-wide is not exactly thriving. Without appealing to a more diverse audience (including younger people, people with different body types and different musical tastes), it will die. As a way of life, the circuit scene is unsustainable. Logically it should be held at the CNE? How is that logical? Sure the CNE has a lot of space but from a cost stand-point it is a horrible venue. We have to sell an additional 1,500 tickets just to make up the difference in costs between the CNE and Kool Haus or The Docks. In the old days the CNE would negotiate on the cost but those days are gone. There are only two licensed and insured venues downtown that are big enough to handle PRISM and they are the Guv/Kool Haus and The Docks. Until someone builds another comparably-sized venue downtown, the parties will be at one of those two venues.

If the Unity founders didnt sniff all the proceeds up their nose Unity would still be here. Anyway, i understand what you are saying but there is a new generation of gay guys out there that will soon take over the stagnant scene. And i agree no new club has taken off because promotion sucks and the placement of the clubs suck as well.

I was just saying i personally love the CNE gounds and logically from a person attending such parties that would be ideal...but to me the money isssue isnt in my hands, its in the hands of the party promoters...

And i beg to differ that the circuit scene is dieing, because Black and Blue, Southern Decadence, White Party, HotAlanta and others are becoming huge money making machines around North America.

Anyway, as gay culture evolves other format DJ's can come out and draw crowds...but at the moment we have to settle for shitty house DJ"s like Tracy Crappy Young headlining the same tired events...its a formula and it works, because older established circuit come to expect it.


Arsondude

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Originally posted by MarkT my dream of a big gay (or gay positive) trance and prog event is probably a couple of years away, I'm sure...Mark Oliver + 4 hours of Armin + 3 hours of Sander Kleinenberg + lots of boys = perfect

Throw Deko-ze in there & it would be perfecto

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Last year was my first PRIDE experience and I must say I had a blast (even with the overcrowding). The squrit party was an amazing way to start the weekend. I had so much fun!!

I think that if a big trance or techno dj came in to headline that you would get more than just the gay crowd. A big name dj will attract the 'music lover' regardless if they are gay or stright. I think that having local trance dj's in (but not headlining) would be a great idea.

As for the headliner its a hard choice. The Toronto gay scene loves Deko-ze but he is not yet an international name so he won't attract the tourist. BUT hopefully the lucky ones will catch him at the street party or at some of the other parties.

I think that Tom Stephan would be an excellent choice for a headliner. He is amazing and he plays some nice house. Another GREAT choice would be Lawler. He always draws a huge crowd when he comes to Systems, so why not have him headline a big PRIDE event.

Eaither way I will probally come out and support the scene and enjoy one of the best weekends Toronto has to offer. Hope to see many of you there.

BTW if you need some help promoting (flyering or anything else) any of the parties for PRIDE just drop me a line and I am there

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Originally posted by Arsondude2.0 I was just saying i personally love the CNE gounds and logically from a person attending such parties that would be ideal...but to me the money isssue isnt in my hands, its in the hands of the party promoters... Arsondude

I agree. I loved going to massive parties at the CNE in the past.

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And i beg to differ that the circuit scene is dieing, because Black and Blue, Southern Decadence, White Party, HotAlanta and others are becoming huge money making machines around North America. Arsondude

Attendence at Black and Blue, Southern Decadence and the White Party (both the one in Palm Springs and the one in Miami) have been shrinking substantially each year for the past 5 years. These events are becoming shadows of their former selves. Hotlanta went bankrupt in 2003.

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Anyway, as gay culture evolves other format DJ's can come out and draw crowds...but at the moment we have to settle for shitty house DJ"s like Tracy Crappy Young headlining the same tired events...its a formula and it works, because older established circuit come to expect it. Arsondude

So how do we get to that next level? Is Toronto ready for a gay trance event?