Lets not forget about Dubyas good buddy in all of this...and so far he hasnt even been mentioned in this thread..good old "Shoulder to shoulder" Tony Blair the British Prime Minister.

Tony Blair stood up in the House of Commons, the British Parliment and produced a Dossier on Iraq,the now imfamous 45 minute dossier,which was supplied by the British intelligience agencies M 15 and M 16.

The dossier the prime minister proclaimed contained chilling new facts about the weapons of mass destruction that the Iraqi regime had procured or produced itself and he went on to describe how Iraq was "at any time capable of launching a chemical attack against British interests(he was referring to british military bases in cyprus of which there are several)within 45 minutes of the order being given"

This claim was obviously made before the invasion of Iraq.

Within weeks of this claim being made by Tony Blair serious doubts arose among the british press the BBC called the documents "Sexed UP" on british television,large tracts of the documents contained in the dossier later turned out to have been written in 1992 after the first gulf war (by of all people an irish student at the time writing his thesis for a degree course in an american university in california..and these documents made ther way onto the universitys database and were subsequently copied word for word by british intelligience to be included in the dossier even though they were written in 1992..and at that time in 1992 Saddam did have chemical weapons so what was written by the student held true for 1992 not 2002)

A subsecquent inquirey by the britih parliment into this dossier(after the invasion)called The Hutton Report turned out to be a whitewash Blair was found not guilty in the report of any wrong doing (Blair personally picked the judge who carried out the inquiry)the british media meanwhile laughed at the findings of this report and the british public soon joined their ranks.

Blairs reputation has not recovered since.

Everybody in Britian knows he lied through his teeth and to this day they still believe that.

Everything that i have written can be verified just do a google...

What we all seem to be forgetting is that they had planned the invasion of Iraq way in advance.

The occurrences of 9/11 and the ensuing "War on Terror" was initially the justification for the invasion of a sovereign nation - Afghanistan. Iraq had no involvement in 9/11, but yet that's where the real focus had always been.

The guiding philosophy of current administration advocates subterfuge. One only needs to read into it to understand their principles - something which I doubt many Bush voters have done.




01. They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.

02. They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.

03. They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.

04. They accept the notion that the ends justify the means—that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.

05. They express no opposition to the welfare state.

06. They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.

07. They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.

08. They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.

09. They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.

10. They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.

11. They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.

12. They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.

13. Using American might to force American ideals on others is cceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.

14. 9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.

15. They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)

16. They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.

17. They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.


http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=177813

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=221928

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=126444

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Originally posted by Trancer-X permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual. 14. 9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.

I wont argue the rest of what u said...but 9.11 is more to blaim on Clinton not Bush..thats a fact!

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Originally posted by Trancer-X [color=orange]What we all seem to be forgetting is that they had planned the invasion of Iraq way in advance.

Likewise, there are plans to attack China, Russia, Panama, Columbia, North Korea, etc, etc, etc. There are think tanks and military strategists who's job is to come up with said strategies. The fact that there were strategic plans about invading Iraq should not come as a surprise to anyone, particularly considering that the U.S. was at war with Iraq a mere 10 or so years prior.

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Our Congress gave the President the ability to respond to the tragedy of September the Eleventh. We licensed a response to those who helped bring the terror of September the Eleventh. But we the people and our elected representatives must reserve the right to measure the response, to proportion the response, to challenge the response, and to correct the response. Because we did not authorize the invasion of Iraq. We did not authorize the invasion of Iran. We did not authorize the invasion of North Korea. We did not authorize the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan. We did not authorize permanent detainees in Guantanamo Bay. We did not authorize the withdrawal from the Geneva Convention. We did not authorize military tribunals suspending due process and habeas corpus. We did not authorize assassination squads. We did not authorize the resurrection of COINTELPRO. We did not authorize the repeal of the Bill of Rights. We did not authorize the revocation of the Constitution. We did not authorize national identity cards. We did not authorize the eye of Big Brother to peer from cameras throughout our cities. We did not authorize an eye for an eye. Nor did we ask that the blood of innocent people, who perished on September 11, be avenged with the blood of innocent villagers in Afghanistan. We did not authorize the administration to wage war anytime, anywhere, anyhow it pleases. We did not authorize war without end. We did not authorize a permanent war economy. Yet we are upon the threshold of a permanent war economy. The President has requested a $45.6 billion increase in military spending. All defense-related programs will cost close to $400 billion. Consider that the Department of Defense has never passed an independent audit. Consider that the Inspector General has notified Congress that the Pentagon cannot properly account for $1.2 trillion in transactions. Consider that in recent years the Dept. of Defense could not match $22 billion worth of expenditures to the items it purchased, wrote off, as lost, billions of dollars worth of in-transit inventory and stored nearly $30 billion worth of spare parts it did not need. Yet the defense budget grows with more money for weapons systems to fight a cold war which ended, weapon systems in search of new enemies to create new wars. This has nothing to do with fighting terror. This has everything to do with fueling a military industrial machine with the treasure of our nation, risking the future of our nation, risking democracy itself with the militarization of thought which follows the militarization of the budget.

Excerpt taken from a Speech by Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich
February 17, 2002

http://www.themoderntribune.com/den...didate_2004.htm

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Originally posted by Shakka There are think tanks and military strategists who's job is to come up with said strategies.

But unlike the other think tanks, Project For A New American Century has it's main proponents in the top levels of the current administration.

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews.../5025024.htm?1c

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In 1992, Paul Wolfowitz, then-under secretary of defense for policy, supervised the drafting of the Defense Policy Guidance document. Wolfowitz had objected to what he considered the premature ending of the 1991 Iraq War. In the new document, he outlined plans for military intervention in Iraq as an action necessary to assure "access to vital raw material, primarily Persian Gulf oil" and to prevent the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and threats from terrorism. The guidance called for preemptive attacks and ad hoc coalitions but said that the U.S. should be ready to act alone when "collective action cannot be orchestrated." The primary goal of U.S. policy should be to prevent the rise of any nation that could challenge the United States. When the document leaked to the New York Times, it proved so extreme that it had to be rewritten. These concepts are now part of the new U.S. National Security Strategy. http://www.ceip.org/files/nonprolif...licationID=1214

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Originally posted by tiesto14 The funny thing about your ignorance is that the majority of Bush supporters are the top 1% of America...people that graduated Yale, Harvard, MIT, USC, UCLA etc etc...most of the CEOs, CFOs and board room members of the worlds biggest corporations, people that attend country clubs, and wine and dine in places you will never be able to valet park a car...yet you go on and on about how they can not speak right or are uneducated...tsk tsk..jealousy of the upper class just makes you look foolish and a tad bitter.

i love the fact that no one realizes that and when you point it out they just shut the fuck up. Good job. No way you can argue with that, unless you come up with something stupid by which means you go right ahead.

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra i love the fact that no one realizes that and when you point it out they just shut the fuck up. Good job. No way you can argue with that, unless you come up with something stupid by which means you go right ahead.

Take the blinders off for a minute so that you can read my response to his post.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...048#post3827048

your post was the dumbest thing i've ever read so didn't bother to reply...What does your post prove that the 1 percent are wealthy? Yeah they are and they are also the smarter part of the country. that's a fact look over at the voter turn outs. NY times for example the most influantial news paper . Stick to your DC.

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Originally posted by tiesto14 I wont argue the rest of what u said...but 9.11 is more to blaim on Clinton not Bush..thats a fact!

and he's willing to prove it! SO TAKE THAT!!!

I've been browsing this thread back and forth but haven't seen much from the Bush lemmings... er, I mean supporters. I've seen a handful on TV lately trying to explain that this war wasn't "just about WMD."

Why the silence? Especially from my outspoken & good friends Q5echo and Smokeape.

because yapping and going on websites that claim they know everything doesn't make you look smart ...you could use a comp though, i'll give you that :\

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