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Originally posted by Ian^ Yes. why ? Too many producers are using software synths that every man and his dog (who knows how to crack reason or cubase) can get their hands on. They are then taking these sounds and remaking classic tracks with them. In history this has been done but the main tracks which did it, age of love, cafe del mar etc, the remakes always were done by skilled pro's who offered a new take on the track, oliver lieb, j00f, pvd etc etc.

Why blame the tools? Just blame the producers and i will agree with you. There are many producers that try to make their own sound and style, they just don't get alot of exposure. Look at Vadim, that guy uses Software only. And don't tell me his things sound the same as the classics.

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Originally posted by Ian^ Now there is a lack of inspiration in artists to make good new trance, it's mainly supersaw hell, people aren't even looking back past 2000 to see what tracks were like, they should go find stuff by dance2trance, cosmic baby, komakino, oliver lieb etc etc to see how things used to be, and how trance can work in a simple but aurally arousing way.

I agree, but here you do say people should go copy sounds. Correct me if i am wrong Ian. If you want people to look at all classics and try to make new classics with different sounds it won´t be possible. The world Classic does have a meaning, means old and memorable, i do think many ASOT tunes we had last year and this year will be considerd a classic in like 5 years or so. Like it or not but it will happen.

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Originally posted by Ian^ There are people pushing good sounds atm, as has been said before like J00F, but the problem is even what Armin said once "i dont feel obliged to make new songs cos people just download so i'll just rework a classic" Or words to that effect. that is NOT the answer, and is exactly what will get us in a mess. The reason a lot of us bash armin etc now is cos he's lazy, he's too busy looking for superstar status in USA and worldwide than producing stuff like under his Rising Star alias (Startheme and Clear Blue Moon) for example being amazing and not simple.

Thats a lame excuse from Armin, if your work getting downloaded anyway, just make an original. Some old producers will get to a stage where they just can´t create anything original anymore, there for you use excuses to maintain your fame.

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Sure sounds need to progress, but american progressive (or mcprog to most of us) is not the only way things can go, but there seems to be too many people making tracks just to get played on radio shows by certain djs and not enough people making a track to please the real people who matter, those who pay a fortune to see DJs spin.
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agree.

A wise man once said that the only permanet thing, is change.

Thats one of the reasons why I still listen to Trance and other forms of EDM, they change, some for the better, others for worse - but thats still in the of the beholder.

Simply put, if the music was always the same then no one would listen to it because it would get boring after a while, for the most part. The classics are always an exception.

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Sure man, but all i'm saying is that the intricacies are the differences that make a song what it is today.

And i'm sure you can can all attest to the countless times trying to i.d. a song you know but not by name off the top of your head

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Originally posted by Massive84 I The world Classic does have a meaning, means old and memorable, i do think many ASOT tunes we had last year and this year will be considerd a classic in like 5 years or so. Like it or not but it will happen.

Can't agree on that one

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Originally posted by Radagast Lmfao...who just equated a supersaw in trance with the guitar in rock & roll. Trance survives and can be excellent without a moronic supersaw. A supersaw is not necessary for trance. On the "scratching" thing...anyone want to see a video of Bad Boy Bill competing in the 1989 American DMC champioinships? Send me a PM of your email. It's pretty funny stuff.

Any trance track that is 'deemed' classic, utilizes the saw. I dare you to prove otherwise. The saw has always been a founding cornerstone of trance, as has 'the guitar' for rock. Sure you can have songs that don't utilize the saw, but that wasn't my point.

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Originally posted by DC- Any trance track that is 'deemed' classic, utilizes the saw. I dare you to prove otherwise. The saw has always been a founding cornerstone of trance, as has 'the guitar' for rock. Sure you can have songs that don't utilize the saw, but that wasn't my point.

No. Acid anyone?

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike If I wanted to listen to a DJ bang out shit as weak sounding as Andy Moor / Markus Schulz etc. i'd go listen to Armin van Buuren. Nothing fucks me off more than a fan that thinks a DJ can do no wrong. There is a lot of good music out there. How some people can be so easily pleased is beyond my comprehension.

By trance, I ofcourse refer to the genre that gained the most popularity, and that is uplifting trance that peaked in popularity in 99.

For your reference, the term 'acid' refers to a distorted square or saw with high resonance. It'd be next to impossible to find a genre of electronic music that doesn't utilize the saw, so I don't get what all the bashing is about. A saw is a saw, whether it's 7 detuned saws, or a single distorted one.

Dunno, but it's all good for me!

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Originally posted by DC- One of the biggest downsides of being a producer is that you tend to judge music based on technical merrit rather than enjoying the music for the music. To me, the time period that defines trance as trance is not circa 98/97. Trance is about uplifting melodies that take you on an emotional journey. People constantly complain about the constant use of the infamous 'supersaw', but this is what defines trance as such. Why should people use different instruments when this works and works well. It might be boring to some, but what would rock be without guitars? Certainly not rock. Why should a person have to re-invent the wheel everytime they make music, just let them be, let them make what their heart leads them to. If you don't like the end result, that's fine, it's within your perogative to dislike and disagree. I agree that in terms of emotional uplifting melodies (or the opposite), trance has seriously been on a decline. Many of the tracks I recieve suffer from what I like to refer to as 'random chord progressions' which is to me as effective as hitting random keys on a keyboard. It works for some, for others it doesn't. I've always found myself attracted by emotional melodies ala Gouryella, this is what trance should be about. Someone mentioned about producers catering to the DJ and Club scene, this is unfortunately the truth but it comes with reason. In this day and age, in order for your track to be deemed 'successful', it has to do well on the dancefloor. If it's not club worthy, it won't sell, simple as that. The market is already in some serious trouble, money is very tough to come by. As for the comment about people being too software dependant. Acoustically, trance as it sounds today makes trance circa 97 sound primitive at best. Software is not the problem, many 'famous' producers utilize software in their studios (Above & Beyond, Armin, Airwave, Thrillseekers, Tiesto, Mike) to just name a few. Having a studio full of hardware is not necessarily the formula of success. The real problem is inspiration, producers back in the day didn't have A State Of Trance to listen to, they derived their inspiration from many sources and I'd bet not many were electronica based. That is why so many songs sound alike, sound "ASOT".

that sums it up right there..if you think otherwise you=t3h retard

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trance today is exactly the reason people like tiesto produce stuff like 'ur' and 'traffic', becuase its different, hes trying to 'raise the bar' if you see what i mean instead of leaving at the same level its been since 2000, its now 2005 ffs and something different has to be done

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Originally posted by george_hales I see that the problem with trance is that the people that represented the sound that was big back in '99 (armin, ferry, tiesto, whoever) aren't putting in the effort to make something like they did back then. There is a real lack of inspiration and emotion with alot of stuff at the moment, and there are alot of what could be seen as "sheep" following the shepards, but that will never change. When people say that trance has evolved, i think alot of the time they are just denying the fact that trance has lost the "fun" that it had back the day. I really do think that more producers should, as ian said, take a look back and pick out the strongest points of any track that was defined as "trance". Which is exactly what i tried to do with "autumn falls" and with the feedback ive had from people, it worked. George

speaking of autumn falls i was looking for that track on vinyl yesterday, unfortunatly didnt find it, wow! real life george hales on TA *bows down*