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Shawn you and Markus are pretty damn different. Like u said you play *some* McProg (and beautiful ones at that) but I love how groovey and housey your progressive tendancies get most of the time. Throwing in some beautiful melodic prog definetly helps keep the eclecticness alive in your sets and are the glimmers of brightness within them.

By the way...I have never heard of McTrance, McProg sure but not the other. And may I ask, why is McProg bad? I missed that little fact.

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Originally posted by Dan1584 ^^^ Shawn you and Markus are pretty damn different. Like u said you play *some* McProg (and beautiful ones at that) but I love how groovey and housey your progressive tendancies get most of the time. Throwing in some beautiful melodic prog definetly helps keep the eclecticness alive in your sets and are the glimmers of brightness within them.

Love this is what dance music should be about, congradulating talents and showing love for the music you enjoy, not over analisizing (SP) everything

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Originally posted by dJohn Then this is false. Progressive is not a general term, it is an abused word mistakenly fuse trance and bad house together. And this is where the McProg issue comes in. McProg is what is to 'progressive' as McTrance is to, well...trance.

i'm not understanding your argument there. yes progressive is an abused word.. but so is trance, so is house, etc

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The problem(and yes, it is a problem which I will explain in a second) with McProg is it dilutes the progressive house and progressive trance pool with extremely boring and simple productions that have 'desktop trance' elements thrown all over the place. An example would be Roland Klinkenberg - Monday Groove. Both structure and genre wise, this track is easily labeled progressive because of it's production technicals(very moving track...never stops) and it's fresh sound. The Perry O'Neil remix of this takes all that away, and jams in a recycled synth that we can all characterize Perry O'Neil's productions by, and simplifies the track to make his synth the main part, reducing the track to nothing but a standard trance track with progressive charades and one big build and break. Probspot songs and remixes also have this characteristic, as they color the song vividly with their sound, yet do nothing with the track itself as far as production goes. This is why Sasha is revered and respected everywhere: the quality of his remixes don't stop at the intricacies of his sounds and technicalities, but the composition of his productions and remixes are what each and every Sasha track 'progressive' to the truest sense, both symbolically and technically.

ehh.. ummm.. i'm aware of this though i'm of the opinion that sasha and company aren't necessarily on a superior level, they just follow a different formula and i happen to prefer that formula. but he's indeed a bit more versatile than schulz

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But to say that these McProg tracks are considered progressive house or trance can't be justified simply because they don't have a banging lead, huge supersaw break and build, and 138+BPM tempo. They are just as trancey and epic in their own sense as these ASOT Anjuna whatever trance tracks people find entertaining to bash.

again i don't understand what you're saying there. mcprog isn't progressive house, neither epic trance. mcprog is mcprog. we know that. it picks elements from both house and trance (and yes it's influenced by both prog trance and epic trance), hence the "grey area" comment, it's somewhere between the two of them

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Going back to your main point, McProg can be thought of as a quick fix collaboration of progressive house and progressive trance with epic trance elements spilled all over it. So I don't consider it to be part of any progressive genre, if you were to take your definition Progressive as that gray area.

mcprog = prog trance + prog house + epic trance. that makes it 2/3 progressive

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Progressive breaks I'd say are true off shoots of the progressive blob that you and Cobalt seem to be right on.

and i must be really slow today, cause yet again i didn't understand what you were trying to say there. or maybe i just need some english classes. what the hell are "true off shoots"

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec Hopefully Markus Schulz will be exiled from Florida to Madagascar.

"american mcprog"
u kidz 'r funnaay!!!
doesthis mean mc.. "prog" genre is going down?

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Originally posted by Trancened I wondn't consider my show McProg, but whatever you say Ian...thanks for the support -I do realize I play some "McProg" now and then but the tracks I play are the tracks I enjoy so if you dont like it dont listen - Shawn Mitiska / DJ Mitiska

that's ok, it's never on at a time that I can listen anyway

Seriously tho, it might sound like we're being totally derogative, but progressive can be great, cass & slide etc but I do find a lot of it unimaginative, slow, boring and lacking energy, which imo is what music is about.

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Originally posted by Ian^ REGRESSIVE TRANCE backwardly evolving music appealing mainly to americans and many people who haven't seen the 1990s. Involves lots of coldharbours, mike foyles, 'mile high nights' Gabriel & Dresden perry o'neil and awfully produced drivel. Rivals the stuff from labels like somatic sense, anjunabeats & armada who are the same plague on trance

ok for fucks sake, ive had enough of you. here are a list of samples of my tracks. there is maybe 1 that you could call "mc prog" and i made it god knows how long ago. listen to them so you actually have the faintest fucking clue as to what i produce, and then ill take your opinion on me and my music into account.

Santiago Nino - Wake Me From The Inside (Mike Foyle Remix)

Mike Foyle - Jigsaw

Mike Foyle - Space Guitar (Club Mix)

Mike Foyle vs Signalrunners - Love Theme Dusk (Mike's Gladiator Mix)

Mike Foyle presents Andromeda - Northern Lights (Original Mix)

Filo & Peri - Closer Now (Mike Foyle Remix)

GRRRRRRR

Now im sorry if this isnt boring repetative clicky progressive SHITE, but its what i like, its what alot of others like, its varied, alot of it is experimental, and takes me fucking ages to do. im sorry but i have a massive problem with you, your big "know it all" head, and your judgement of other people because of what they listen to.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle ok for fucks sake, ive had enough of you. here are a list of samples of my tracks. there is maybe 1 that you could call "mc prog" and i made it god knows how long ago. listen to them so you actually have the faintest fucking clue as to what i produce, and then ill take your opinion on me and my music into account. GRRRRRRR Now im sorry if this isnt boring repetative clicky progressive SHITE, but its what i like, its what alot of others like, its varied, alot of it is experimental, and takes me fucking ages to do. im sorry but i have a massive problem with you, your big "know it all" head, and your judgement of other people because of what they listen to.

Honest opinion ?

I like how you flipped at me, keep on practising cos you have more chance of flipping burgers than making it in the music business. I'm sorry to bring your world crashing down on you but while your music is good for an amateur, that's all it is, there's hundreds of other people who can produce to that standard and that's why I don't believe you're very good, especially compared to some of the people who use/used Am Prod forum in the past like Haak, MK-S, Luke Terry, Santiago Nino, Mike Upton, George Hales, Wim & Many many others.

I've been into music since 1990 at least and It's a great passion of mine, and when I hear something I don't like, why should I give it praise when there are thousands more skilled producers or dj's out there who can do better. If being honest about your productions leads you to hate me, then you take it too seriously, if having a personal vendetta against me simply because I don't follow the crowd & give honest opinions is so bad, then excuse me, and if You dont like my posts, don't read them, I just find it funny how people like you complain when people abuse something they believe in, but their retorts are basically just as bad as the troll who's posting the tracks opinon is.

oh and if you actually knew me you'd know that i hate 'clicky' progressive nearly as much as your stuff I do have a huge range of tastes that satisfy me, and to be totally frank a lot of your stuff isn't fit to clean their shoes If you concentrated more on forging a sound that wasn't so cheap sounding, you'd be much better off. Don't hate people with opinions, else you'll hate 99% of Tranceaddict

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Originally posted by Ian^ Honest opinion ? I like how you flipped at me, keep on practising cos you have more chance of flipping burgers than making it in the music business. I'm sorry to bring your world crashing down on you but while your music is good for an amateur, that's all it is, there's hundreds of other people who can produce to that standard and that's why I don't believe you're very good, especially compared to some of the people who use/used Am Prod forum in the past like Haak, MK-S, Luke Terry, Santiago Nino, Mike Upton, George Hales, Wim & Many many others. I've been into music since 1990 at least and It's a great passion of mine, and when I hear something I don't like, why should I give it praise when there are thousands more skilled producers or dj's out there who can do better. If being honest about your productions leads you to hate me, then you take it too seriously, if having a personal vendetta against me simply because I don't follow the crowd & give honest opinions is so bad, then excuse me, and if You dont like my posts, don't read them, I just find it funny how people like you complain when people abuse something they believe in, but their retorts are basically just as bad as the troll who's posting the tracks opinon is. oh and if you actually knew me you'd know that i hate 'clicky' progressive nearly as much as your stuff I do have a huge range of tastes that satisfy me, and to be totally frank a lot of your stuff isn't fit to clean their shoes If you concentrated more on forging a sound that wasn't so cheap sounding, you'd be much better off. Don't hate people with opinions, else you'll hate 99% of Tranceaddict

see mate this is the thing, i dont give 2 flying fucks if u like my music or not. but u fire it so personally. you dont like people who make music that you dont like. why though?! i appriciate your taste in music, but no matter what you like and dont like, the fact is, my music isnt all the same, isnt based on particular formulas, isnt unimaginative, and alot of work, time, and thought goes into them. the end result is what i want it to sound like, its what i like, what i enjoy, what does it for me, which is why its all so different, because im not so narrow minded that i only aprriciate 1 genre of music. ok so technically im not the best producer in the world, did i ever claim to be? all i wanted to prove was that my music isnt all the same formulaic dick juice like you seem to think. you just have a completely retarded attitude and it pisses me off

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Had a listen to some of those tracks Mike, and they sound pretty varied to me. Nice tracks - Space guitar is pretty different sounding in my opinion.

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Originally posted by RickyM Had a listen to some of those tracks Mike, and they sound pretty varied to me. Nice tracks - Space guitar is pretty different sounding in my opinion.

thanks dude, space guitar is the one that everyone thinks is mc prog :/ the original mix is to a certain extent i suppose. the remix of wake me from the inside is the one thats most unique i think.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle ok for fucks sake, ive had enough of you. here are a list of samples of my tracks. there is maybe 1 that you could call "mc prog" and i made it god knows how long ago. listen to them so you actually have the faintest fucking clue as to what i produce, and then ill take your opinion on me and my music into account. Santiago Nino - Wake Me From The Inside (Mike Foyle Remix) Mike Foyle - Jigsaw Mike Foyle - Space Guitar (Club Mix) Mike Foyle vs Signalrunners - Love Theme Dusk (Mike's Gladiator Mix) Mike Foyle presents Andromeda - Northern Lights (Original Mix) Filo & Peri - Closer Now (Mike Foyle Remix) GRRRRRRR Now im sorry if this isnt boring repetative clicky progressive SHITE, but its what i like, its what alot of others like, its varied, alot of it is experimental, and takes me fucking ages to do. im sorry but i have a massive problem with you, your big "know it all" head, and your judgement of other people because of what they listen to.

Unrelated it may be but thought I may as well chip in seeing as I haven't heard any of your stuff before. I think the production on those tracks (barring maybe Jigsaw) sounds very good... above average at least. However they all seemed too middle of the road to me musically, without any really grabbing factors to them... as if they were designed as set fillers. I actually thought Jigsaw sounded the most unique out of them.. just it had a kinda amateur feel about it which I can't put my finger on. The one that annoys me the most is the Love Theme Dusk track... it's in the uplifting trance style but imho sounds pretty dry & emotionless, without a decent hook or a driving powerful bassline.. relying too much on wishy washy ambient effects and twinkly bits instead. Reminds me alot of the music which has put me off uplifting trance a bit over the past year or two.

Probably doesn't matter that much to you but just on the off chance you were interested in people's opinions.

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Originally posted by Ian^ Honest opinion ? I like how you flipped at me, keep on practising cos you have more chance of flipping burgers than making it in the music business. I'm sorry to bring your world crashing down on you but while your music is good for an amateur, that's all it is, there's hundreds of other people who can produce to that standard and that's why I don't believe you're very good, especially compared to some of the people who use/used Am Prod forum in the past like Haak, MK-S, Luke Terry, Santiago Nino, Mike Upton, George Hales, Wim & Many many others. I've been into music since 1990 at least and It's a great passion of mine, and when I hear something I don't like, why should I give it praise when there are thousands more skilled producers or dj's out there who can do better. If being honest about your productions leads you to hate me, then you take it too seriously, if having a personal vendetta against me simply because I don't follow the crowd & give honest opinions is so bad, then excuse me, and if You dont like my posts, don't read them, I just find it funny how people like you complain when people abuse something they believe in, but their retorts are basically just as bad as the troll who's posting the tracks opinon is. oh and if you actually knew me you'd know that i hate 'clicky' progressive nearly as much as your stuff I do have a huge range of tastes that satisfy me, and to be totally frank a lot of your stuff isn't fit to clean their shoes If you concentrated more on forging a sound that wasn't so cheap sounding, you'd be much better off. Don't hate people with opinions, else you'll hate 99% of Tranceaddict

Mike, want a suggestion? copy this post, and post it right by your computor. Let this motivate you. Everytime you are working on a track, read it!! Show these people and when you make ithave a good laugh at them because they will still be sititing in front of their computors posting shit.

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