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Cal
who then now bitches



Registered: Aug 2002
Location: T.O.

quote:
Originally posted by Radagast
I'm not interested in how people "feel". What is to say that one or more of those minorities were not as or more qualified than the most qualified white person, therefore possibly receiving the position without affirmative action? Can a fellow minority who was rejected along with a lot of white people feel relief that one of his minority was hired instead of a white guy? Or would the fellow minority feel just as shafted as the white guy? Are the white people you cite truly more qualified or are they simply agitated that they MIGHT have gotten the job without affirmative action in place, subsequently boosting their evaluation of their own skills in order to provide a reason other than that they're racist to justify their state of being anti-minority? Does your assertion contain too many unprovable and easily biased variables? Where is your evidence that the average performance level on the police force would have INCREASED had there been no affirmative action? I'm interested in the reality of the situation at hand.

So there might have been a substantial increase in minority employment, which doesn't surprise me because the very point of affirmative action is to promote minority. But in the end there's no way you can prove that a white person would have gotten the job instead of the minority had there been no affirmative action in place.

Also we may be commiting the post hoc fallacy with your made up statistics. You should probably look that one up as well. Simply because affirmative action promotes minority and it came before this 50% increase does not mean that the first was the cause of the second. There may be other variables which affected this increase. Unless you can prove that most or all of that 50% were hired through affirmative action.

Hey i'm trying to learn here as much as anyone else. Is there something fundamentally wrong with my logic and reason in this case? Arbiter? Occrider perhaps?


Preferential hiring is common knowledge. Maybe I'm more aware about it because i'm in the business administration program at my university, but it does happen all the time.

Here in the Canadian Army, aboriginals are allowed to to wear braids and take leave to go hunting, fishing and gathering, while everone else has to keep a trim haircut and stay at base.


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Old Post Jan-25-2005 16:23  Ukraine
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Dervish
Your opinion matters.



Registered: Dec 2003
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Well all I can say is here. Public racism apart from a very small minority does not happen in the tradional sence. For example giving someone abuse based upon race. Which is all part of de-normalising racism.

As you say you need to tackle the root causes and the base level ignorance but in the mean time making public rasicm totally unacceptable is progress (it makes peoples lives easier). And the process of fundamental understanding of the irrelavance of race can take place (which will tackle the problems I highlighted before).

EDIT: Just realised I sound like a fucking social worker....... hmmm might need to go out get drunk and beat up some gays to make me feel like a man again


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Cal
who then now bitches



Registered: Aug 2002
Location: T.O.

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Originally posted by Lira
Huh? What do you mean "fiddle with your personal info"? I can't change/edit it whatsoever...


Off topic here
Well shorty after I added your quote to my sig I discovered that I have a teen porn website link in my personal info. I know I didn't put it there, and you're saying it wasn't you either, so who else could have added it?

Anyway, I found a better quote.


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wow awesome!! that's way bigger than mine

Old Post Jan-25-2005 18:31  Ukraine
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Arbiter
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Registered: May 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Dervish
I agree with you in a theoretical sense. But I think we do need to recognise the effects of current and previous discrimination. And provide chances for people. Perhaps not by race but by income and area. I think we'd agree that the lowest income bracket in either say the US or UK is disproportionality black. So perhaps by helping that income bracket we could provide race free affirmative action. But still aid those with the least chances.


I do like that idea. The best place to start if you ask me is public education reform.

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Scottaculous
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Registered: Mar 2001
Location: On a plane

quote:
Originally posted by e*motion
so ummm... anyone ever been to the "Guvernment" ???


quote:
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yep been there, too many chinese, vibe was alright, actually liked docks better, but still think space is best megaclub in northamerica.


Just pulled that off the Southeast USA forum today. People drop their guard and the truth really comes out.

Old Post Jan-25-2005 21:30 
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Lira
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Brasilia, Brazil

quote:
Originally posted by Cal
Well shorty after I added your quote to my sig I discovered that I have a teen porn website link in my personal info. I know I didn't put it there, and you're saying it wasn't you either, so who else could have added it?

This is not the first time someone reports such change.

First of all, the quote didn't bother me (it's just that reading about your nuts in a daily basis is quite disturbing and the thought that a bloke is talking about my nuts in every single post). Also, all mods can do is:


  • Close/Open/Merge/karate chop threads in the forums we mod
  • Suspend users (and there's no undo)
  • Delete/Edit Posts in the forums we mod
  • Edit sigs

Anything out of our list is not done by us.


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blacks get free guns in da hood. whites get free samples at buffets. it's gone back for years and years

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Cal
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Registered: Aug 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Lira
This is not the first time someone reports such change.

First of all, the quote didn't bother me (it's just that reading about your nuts in a daily basis is quite disturbing and the thought that a bloke is talking about my nuts in every single post). Also, all mods can do is:

  • Close/Open/Merge/karate chop threads in the forums we mod
  • Suspend users (and there's no undo)
  • Delete/Edit Posts in the forums we mod
  • Edit sigs

Anything out of our list is not done by us.


Alright in that case I apologize for secretly harbouring hostility towards you as well as for plotting to kill you in your sleep with a rusty potato peeler.


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wow awesome!! that's way bigger than mine

Old Post Jan-26-2005 06:13  Ukraine
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