americans who thinks USA is the most free country in the world haven't been outside their state border. that's for sure.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 americans who thinks USA is the most free country in the world haven't been outside their state border. that's for sure.

yea i have. ive been to many countries in europe and egypt and saudi arabia. i didnt say i agree with all the policies and shit, but just in my opinion, i think its the best place to live.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Is your idea of "filling out forms"?

exactly Jan

While the Majority of Americans might not understand it, the American laws that have come in have done nothing but harass innocent people. My brother was the subject of abusive security who even opened a brand new bottle of expensive wine he was taking from canada to england (Stopover in NYC) and they gave him hell for no reason other than 'he might' be a problem. I am totally sympathetic that it's for security but it's OTT. If (and I really hope there isn't) there was another attack, who is to say that it hasn't come from somebody of American nationality who get's through easily when people from Europe or wherever get hell. I always thought that it was 'innocent until proved guilty' but sadly people who are innocent and only want to visit america (in garniers case to please people who love the music) are being put off due to the overhand tactics. bottom line, if anybody is planning to attack the USA i'm sure they'd find a way around this heavy-handedness whereas innocent passers through are treated like scum. no need im sorry guys

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Originally posted by Ian^ exactly Jan While the Majority of Americans might not understand it, the American laws that have come in have done nothing but harass innocent people. My brother was the subject of abusive security who even opened a brand new bottle of expensive wine he was taking from canada to england (Stopover in NYC) and they gave him hell for no reason other than 'he might' be a problem. I am totally sympathetic that it's for security but it's OTT. If (and I really hope there isn't) there was another attack, who is to say that it hasn't come from somebody of American nationality who get's through easily when people from Europe or wherever get hell. I always thought that it was 'innocent until proved guilty' but sadly people who are innocent and only want to visit america (in garniers case to please people who love the music) are being put off due to the overhand tactics. bottom line, if anybody is planning to attack the USA i'm sure they'd find a way around this heavy-handedness whereas innocent passers through are treated like scum. no need im sorry guys

yea man, im an american citizen, born here, and when i came back from egypt last summer, they gave us unnecessary searches and shit, while the people who werent even citizens just got to walk right through. many things in this country are fucked up, but like i said (my opinion) i think its the best place to live. about those "random" searches they do at the airports, haha, when we were going to egypt my aunt had all her 12 bags "randomly" searched, haha.

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Originally posted by hadi ****** i think its the best place to live.

what is it that is so better about america than in any other place on earth in your opinion? i'd like to know...

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Originally posted by Wraith You are a genius. I mean how can you not be with the excellent mastery you display as to how our electoral system works. Of course we all voted voted for Bush. I mean that's the only way he could win, not with some nutty thing called a majority. That would be CRAZY!!!! Seriously, get a fucking clue before you open your uneducated mouth about something that you obviously don't have the slightest clue about.

i am very well aware of how the american electoral system works
and when i said "you" i was obviously referring to the american people

you all voted bush in power for the second time. like i said, you only have yourselves to blame

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Originally posted by xpand_the_room i am very well aware of how the american electoral system works and when i said "you" i was obviously referring to the american people you all voted bush in power for the second time. like i said, you only have yourselves to blame

True, but maybe next time you shouldn't preface your statement with "Fuck the USA, it's shit."

does this kind of thing happen to everybody who comes here from france?

or could it be that this is happening because he is an EDM musician, and bush(and most of the other authorities) is trying to kill the EDM here.

I think if you look remotely similar to a raver you are gonna get hell for trying to DJ in america because all the soccer moms hae pressured all the authorities into passing all this shit to stop their kids from getting high.



One time they almost didnt let my family back into the country after we walked over to canada for the day, cuz we didn't have all the papers we needed with us.


Its too bad the the people refusing to come here are the kind of musicians that old people hate. I imagine if a musician who was accepted by the crowd in power refused to come here that rule would be changed really quick, but it probably doesn't apply to musicians that old people like anyway.






If you think its hard to travel to america to DJ, have a try at shopping in a chemical store over here . They wont give you the time of day until they have your life story documented.

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Originally posted by Ian^ While the Majority of Americans might not understand it, the American laws that have come in have done nothing but harass innocent people. My brother was the subject of abusive security who even opened a brand new bottle of expensive wine he was taking from canada to england (Stopover in NYC) and they gave him hell for no reason other than 'he might' be a problem. I am totally sympathetic that it's for security but it's OTT. If (and I really hope there isn't) there was another attack, who is to say that it hasn't come from somebody of American nationality who get's through easily when people from Europe or wherever get hell. I always thought that it was 'innocent until proved guilty' but sadly people who are innocent and only want to visit america (in garniers case to please people who love the music) are being put off due to the overhand tactics. bottom line, if anybody is planning to attack the USA i'm sure they'd find a way around this heavy-handedness whereas innocent passers through are treated like scum. no need im sorry guys

I agree - America is becoming a fucking police-state. That's why I voted for Badnarik.

That's bullshit not letting him in... but there's plenty of areas in this world where he can spin and there's probably plenty of American fans willing to travel great distances to hear him if they enjoy his music enough, so it's all good. We expect these things to be handed to us on a silver platter sometimes, but it's not uncommon to travel great distances to find some semblance of Heaven on this Earth. The true EDM fans will probably agree and they will understand that it's not worth fighting for when there's so much room for music outside of America.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 does this kind of thing happen to everybody who comes here from france? or could it be that this is happening because he is an EDM musician, and bush(and most of the other authorities) is trying to kill the EDM here. I think if you look remotely similar to a raver you are gonna get hell for trying to DJ in america because all the soccer moms hae pressured all the authorities into passing all this shit to stop their kids from getting high. One time they almost didnt let my family back into the country after we walked over to canada for the day, cuz we didn't have all the papers we needed with us. Its too bad the the people refusing to come here are the kind of musicians that old people hate. I imagine if a musician who was accepted by the crowd in power refused to come here that rule would be changed really quick, but it probably doesn't apply to musicians that old people like anyway. If you think its hard to travel to america to DJ, have a try at shopping in a chemical store over here . They wont give you the time of day until they have your life story documented.

i think after france didnt agree with americas invasion of iraqi, when it comes to visas, and people traveling they are put into the same category as many of the middle eastern countries when it comes to checks etc.

not 100% sure though.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I agree - America is becoming a fucking police-state. That's why I voted for Badnarik. That's bullshit not letting him in...

he refused to go through standard procedures to get his visa; its not the case that the state dept refused to issue a visa to him or that the border patrol turned him away at the border.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Is quote: be interviewed by a member of the Embassy staff, provide proof of ownership of my house, details of my bank account, my mobile phone records, personal information on all my family members and more. your idea of "filling out forms"?

the actual requirements for his visa are actually less onerous than that. even so, he's not getting a plain-vanila tourist visa which are much easier to get, but a temporary worker's visa because, as far as i know, he would have been getting paid at the events.

a private attorney probably told him everything he cited and not a government official. information other than the minimum requirements is helpful, but not necessary. truthfully, i think he may have gotten really bad council, and that's unfortunate, or maybe other things came up and wanted to save face. idunno

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Originally posted by Ian^ exactly Jan While the Majority of Americans might not understand it, the American laws that have come in have done nothing but harass innocent people. My brother was the subject of abusive security who even opened a brand new bottle of expensive wine he was taking from canada to england (Stopover in NYC) and they gave him hell for no reason other than 'he might' be a problem. I am totally sympathetic that it's for security but it's OTT. If (and I really hope there isn't) there was another attack, who is to say that it hasn't come from somebody of American nationality who get's through easily when people from Europe or wherever get hell. I always thought that it was 'innocent until proved guilty' but sadly people who are innocent and only want to visit america (in garniers case to please people who love the music) are being put off due to the overhand tactics. bottom line, if anybody is planning to attack the USA i'm sure they'd find a way around this heavy-handedness whereas innocent passers through are treated like scum. no need im sorry guys

too bad about your brother, border officials can be pain the ass.


border regulations have changed somewhat after 9/11 but for the mnost part, many the of regulations already existed beforehand.