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Originally posted by Jayx1 id say more like average

compared to London, NY, etc...sure...but compared to anywhere else in this country, it's quite good. Service is on time, buses and subways are relatively clean, safe, etc.

There's tons of room for improvement, no doubt...but to call it "average"...no way. Go *anywhere* else in Canada, come back to Toronto, and tell me the TTC services provided are "average"

I agree that tolls are a sad band-aid solution and increased transit funding and development is *clearly* the way the go.

the question remains...who's going to pay for it? Options:

- The various levels of gov't - and they can't just allocate the hundreds of millions it will take to build subways in Toronto...remember, the rest of the country hates us already, lol. Besides, those are 10+ year projects, *at least*, and therefore don't address today's issues.
- The taxpayers - the Liberals, at any level, will be ripped by all of you Liberal haters if they jack taxes to pay for TTC improvments.
- Private sector involvement - I've been suggesting this for a while, most recently in the thread with the TTC "pipe dream" map that I posted not too long ago. But I see that some people (yourself included) were upset at Rogers getting naming rights to the dome...how would you feel about a slew of corporate involvement with TTC stations, subway cars, etc? I'm all for it...

Tolls downtown are not the answer...I definitely agree there...all it does is tax the middle and lower class while the wealthy who can afford it will continue to do so. Most car owners aren't poor anyway...will tolls *really* reduce traffic by *that* much? I don't think so.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Thats another problem. For me to take public transit that takes forever and doesnt fit into my shcedule it would cost $18-$20 a day cash fare by the time i get downtown. Thats $6.50 each way on the GO and $2.50 each way on the TTC. Oh yeah, they just raised the fare on the TTC by 25 cents starting in March. Pay more for less! Thats the Miller/McGuinty way!

Wtf! I'm already paying on average about $9 a day for bus only. That's another thing i don't like. Why are the different bus companies privatised?! It's annoying to have to pay 2.25 to get on YRT and then another 2.25 to get on the TTC

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Originally posted by loca Wtf! I'm already paying on average about $9 a day for bus only. That's another thing i don't like. Why are the different bus companies privatised?! It's annoying to have to pay 2.25 to get on YRT and then another 2.25 to get on the TTC

get a gta pass if u travel often on the yrt and ttc

comes out cheaper

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Originally posted by smuncky get a gta pass if u travel often on the yrt and ttc comes out cheaper

Yah i'm looking into that... it's $40/wk though... gah. To think i used to complain about the puny 14 Euros i had to pay for a week bus/tram/subway pass.

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Originally posted by MarkT There's tons of room for improvement, no doubt...but to call it "average"...no way. Go *anywhere* else in Canada, come back to Toronto, and tell me the TTC services provided are "average"

Go anywhere else in the country and show me a city where so many people need to get around all at once. I found vancouver to be quite efficient with the Skytrain and bus services. Still could use improvement but the city is not nearly as big or as busy as Toronto.
My problem is with the lack of service. Namely busses dont go where you want them to when you want them to. If you happen to be going somewhere at the time they are scheduled then you are right, the service is not bad.

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the question remains...who's going to pay for it? Options: - The various levels of gov't - and they can't just allocate the hundreds of millions it will take to build subways in Toronto...remember, the rest of the country hates us already, lol. Besides, those are 10+ year projects, *at least*, and therefore don't address today's issues.

Who gives a shit. This is why we need a government with balls who will put the money where its needed

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- The taxpayers - the Liberals, at any level, will be ripped by all of you Liberal haters if they jack taxes to pay for TTC improvments.

the feds have a $9 billion surplus. No need to raise any taxes at all!

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- Private sector involvement - I've been suggesting this for a while, most recently in the thread with the TTC "pipe dream" map that I posted not too long ago. But I see that some people (yourself included) were upset at Rogers getting naming rights to the dome...how would you feel about a slew of corporate involvement with TTC stations, subway cars, etc? I'm all for it...

privitized lines does not mean you have to call it the bell route and the trojan station. This is not how privatization works elsewhere. But yes, i think non unionized private lines are the way to go.

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[Tolls downtown are not the answer...I definitely agree there...all it does is tax the middle and lower class while the wealthy who can afford it will continue to do so. Most car owners aren't poor anyway...will tolls *really* reduce traffic by *that* much? I don't think so.

Well at least we agree here

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by loca Yah i'm looking into that... it's $40/wk though... gah. To think i used to complain about the puny 14 Euros i had to pay for a week bus/tram/subway pass.

They are raising all Go train fares by 15 cents in march now as well.

I think i will stick to driving thanks

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by loca Yah i'm looking into that... it's $40/wk though... gah. To think i used to complain about the puny 14 Euros i had to pay for a week bus/tram/subway pass.

well if u spend 9/day, and if u travel 5 days out of the week, then i wouldnt even hesitate

its still cheaper than the ttc and yrt monthly pass combined

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the feds have a $9 billion surplus. No need to raise any taxes at all!

That's the official Lieberal figure. The actual surplus is billions more than that.


In addition, it doesn't include the EI surplus.

Nor does it include the hidden foundation money (another ~$9 billion?).



Federal taxes are way too high AND they're not spending enough on things we need.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 They are raising all Go train fares by 15 cents in march now as well. I think i will stick to driving thanks

Sadly, much like gasoline, those who rely on GO won't care, because 90% of the riders in the rush have common destinations: Downtown in the morning, Home at night.

What a life that must be. Sit on the train for 45 minutes, walk into a freakishly large office tower, sit for 8 hours, board a train, sit for ANOTHER 45 minutes, go home.

YAY! I wanna be a office worker!

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf That's the official Lieberal figure. The actual surplus is billions more than that. In addition, it doesn't include the EI surplus. Nor does it include the hidden foundation money (another ~$9 billion?). Federal taxes are way too high AND they're not spending enough on things we need.

dude just to clarify something, the EI surplus is a myth. because at the end of every year the surplus is added to the federal surpluses and gets spent... so there's actually no cumulative surplus like everyone thinks (the 40+ billions people are talking about).