I'm with ya there...I absolutely can't stand the show scene.

but...I respect that people put a lot of time and effort into their cars. I can appreciate that they've done something that makes them happy, even if it's not my taste at all (as is the case here).

let's face it...if we want to get into what is, and what is not, rice...there are WAY better examples out there

Yeah...I put Cayne's doors on.


And yeah...when I said that there is going to be a little something under the hood. Yeah...FI it is.

I have an intercooled Eaton M62 that I'm still getting a few parts together for.

And yeah...those are shaved Escort GT rims...the biggest I would EVER go is 17"...I really want a set of 16" Mazda Miata 5 spokes with nice rubber.

and just for the record...I hate "rice" ... huge pointless Decals, 3' high Wings on FWD cars, Massive stupid body kits that cause more drag than anything, 18" rims that weight more than my dad.

I like clean lines and skirt kits

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Originally posted by Skuce And yeah...when I said that there is going to be a little something under the hood. Yeah...FI it is. I have an intercooled Eaton M62 that I'm still getting a few parts together for.

How about slapping that M62 on an LS1 and running a tunnel through your floorpan, then a driveshaft through there, to drive the rear wheels... Thus creating the most badass $400 Escort in the universe.

Eh? Eh?

Check this shit out:

http://www.ford-v8-focus.com/

You'd scare the hell out of some FI import with that thing...

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True, true...my Lude weighs a TON!!!! Not very fast in its current version. I was thinking of keeping it for the long term and souping the shit out of it (very cleanly, of course!!! FULL ENGINE/HANDLING MODS) but come to think of it, I'll save up for the STi instead. I've been dreaming about that beast for a long time.

I wanted my next car to be an S2000; they have a much better power-to-weight ratio; there's just something about taking an NA car and transforming it to FI with all the bells and whistles along the way...it's like FRICKIN LEGO!!!!!

I drove a RWD Peugeot 406 (touring car, designed by Pininfarina) when I was in Paris...what a f'in BEAUT...Can't wait to go RWD/AWD.

F.

P.S. MarkT, absolutely bang on about the easier Civic option; I've been doing a lot of research and it is SO much harder to find the good stuff for my Lude. I was looking into Skunk2 but they are so focused on Acuras and Civics it's not funny!

Vertigo...you're gonna give me Escort nightmares now.

Skuce...I like clean skirts too, esp. when they're on my bedroom floor! LOL!

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Originally posted by Skuce Yeah...I put Cayne's doors on. And yeah...when I said that there is going to be a little something under the hood. Yeah...FI it is. I have an intercooled Eaton M62 that I'm still getting a few parts together for. And yeah...those are shaved Escort GT rims...the biggest I would EVER go is 17"...I really want a set of 16" Mazda Miata 5 spokes with nice rubber. and just for the record...I hate "rice" ... huge pointless Decals, 3' high Wings on FWD cars, Massive stupid body kits that cause more drag than anything, 18" rims that weight more than my dad. I like clean lines and skirt kits

*thumbsup* clean is good I like a car that only other car people know is a sweet ride Sleepers rule.

interested to see how the Eaton works out...what are you going to do to for tuning/fueling? Chip? or standalone like Pectel? That's always the killer on cars...improper tuning...then, *KABOOM* goes the engine one day or a rod flies through the hood, lol

V8 Focus is a *crazy* expensive conversion...although the expected weight shift to the front end isn't as bad as one would think, I've read. That gets *major* points for being different, but again, WAY better off (power and $$$ standpoint) just going with a properly fueled/tuned turbo kit. Tom Lesperance in N.Carolina builds turbos and is running 11s with well over 300whp on his DAILY DRIVER Focus. In fact, while he's long since beefed up the engine, he acheived 300whp on STOCK internals.

S2000 is nice...I'd take an STi over one any day though...cheaper, faster, AWD (hello all-season fun), and TORQUE. STi would eat an S2000, no problem. STi is more raw though...the S2000 drives very nicely on the street (yay Honda for having shit power down low, lol) and is whisper quiet in comparison.

If you go with an STi...without a doubt the man you want to know if you're looking for serious power is Marco Passante at Magnus Motorsports...his shop is *the shit* for DSMs and STi:

http://www.magnusmotorsports.com/index.htm

Dammit. My buddy moved to California back in '01, and he currently drives a '94 Integra GS-R with a GReddy turbo and some serious tuning. His latest dyno tune session yielded him 292hp to the wheels and 211lb-ft torque to the wheels. Figures about 340hp at the crank.

I visited back in August 2003, took a ton of pics and had them hosted on his car club's website (www.outuvit.com) but it seems that since then they've overhauled it and the pics are gone

Currently he's leaving the 'Teg as is, and searching for an FD RX-7 to toy around with.

Fuel Management is just a Jackson Racing 12:1 A-FMU...stock injectors are 15# so they are fine up till about 7 psi on my engine...same with my fuel pump.
The "most" that I'll be getting with the Eaton is 6 psi since it's a 3.5" clutched pulley on it....and the fact that I'm putting on an intercooler....realistically looking at just 5 psi.
The car is EDIS ...so timing adjusting is a bit tricky. But a few friends of mine and I have been doing some R&D into that...and found a way to use a hobbs switch to retard the timing when it goes past 5 psi (cheaper than going with a J&S system for now)but i seriously doubt that I'll need to alter my timing since I'll be staying under the 5 psi mark.
Almost everyone with a CVH (9.0:1 C/R) engine doesn't have a single knock problem till after 5 psi....the SPI ('97 up generation with a 9.4:1 C/R) ppl usually have it from 4 PSI on with stock timing.

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^^^ see THAT is all I need to hear to dismiss the "rice" criticism, Vertigo

btw...thought people might appreciate this little beauty...lots of pics in the link...the wing and paint job are not so great...but this car would be pretty damn fun to drive

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...&category=43919

That engine looks like a scene out of the MATRIX!!!! Those are SICK exhaust headers!!!!

hehe...thanks

And yeah...I have a BIG personal issue with BOV's
With MAFS systems it's a big no-no because you are venting already metered air. So the comp with run rich for a split second.
True...nobody ever blew up a motor from being too rich (now that I read that...Some ppl are too rich and blow up motors all the time...meh)

...anyways

Yeah...a lor of ppl in my make/model club run open atmosphere BOV's on their MAF controlled cars. And then they do comment on a slight bogging down when they shift (no shit! really?!)Another thing I've noticed is that they run the IAT sensor in it's stock loaction...instead of near the T/B to read the heated air...so then the computer is advancing the timing causing a helluva lot of knock. Usuallly that isn't the only thing wrong with their system (ie: it's all about the FMIC that's the size of Utah with square endtanks *sigh*)
Bypass valves Pwn!!11 BOV's in my opinion

Sure...a VAFS system does work work better with a BOV.....but I still have issues with the methodology of it sounding cool with your brand new "Chrome" HKS SSQV Blow off that you got from ebay last week vs. having a very stable A/F ratio through the whole power curve.

On my system I'm just going to be running a OEM 97' GSX Bypass valve. It's not going to "sound cool" but it has the largest diameter ports that I can find for a Bypass beside shelling out for a Procharger unit.

*meh*

Bypass > BOV ...in todays world


*Edit: nice pics (delete wing and stickers tho and I'll be happy)....I like that header and how they have a massive wastegate. I still like it when they give priority to the WG instead of it feeling like an afterthought

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 No, no no no. The turbocharger itself provides backpressure that the engine needs, that an exhaust would provide for a normally aspirated car. If you could, you'd be best off running no exhaust straight out of the turbo which would allow for the freest flowing turbine wheel. More backpressure from the exhaust makes your turbo very efficient. You should read some of Garrett's technical writeups As for the BOV, that wouldn't help at all becuase the BOV is before the throttle. If it were, say, in the cylinders or something sure that'd help, but since it isn't, that doesn't work at all. Not all cars have BOVs anyway, or can even make real use of them. Twin turbo 300ZXs are usually much more efficient with recirc valves than BOVs because of the silly "do-everything-twice" design of the VG30DETT. However, some of the newer BOVs out there can open faster than recirc valves and therefore keep the turbo spoooled up marginally longer. It's not much, but any performance gain is good.* *all from my hardcore 300ZX TT buddy

I stand corrected, my apologies. I guess my understanding was based on the fact that you're going to have to rely on the NA portion of the engine's power band until you can get your turbo to spool up to proper speed, which would require some backpressure to have decent response. But you are absolutely right that at the higher rpms, high amounts of back pressure would be completely detrimental to the turbo's performance and safety.

With the BOV, even though it's stationed before the exhaust, pressure, if excess pressure is in the housing, wouldn't the blow off valve still engage, regardless of which way the pressure is coming from? The valve is still linked to the pressure in the housing isn't it? Or is it am I missing something here?