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Nyquist_Theorem
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Registered: Jan 2005
Location: back in Melbourne, Australia

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
im not saying i know it, but there *is* an intrinsic part of art that makes it good, average or shithouse. you cannot possibly tell me that me recording myself banging on pots and pans with a spoon is as musical as beethoven's symphonies. and youd have to say they were of equal value for your argument re blue V green to be consistent.


I disagree. While there are some things that are nearly universally appealing to western ears (eg basic ET chromatic scale stuff, or 70-160BPM) for mathematical or biological reasons, within those very broad boundaries its pretty subjective stuff. So what's art and what's not? Clearly not something we're going to agree on here - its an age-old argument across every artform. I mean, for sure there is crap dance music and good dance music, but does it take more talent to make belfunk than it does to make 'jump the next train' or 'as the rush comes'? I'd argue that the answer isn't neccesarily a given.

herein lies the problem - most of us would agree that the most commerical tracks are not the best artistically, and in fact there's almost an inverse relationship. in terms of commercial success, cheeseball vocal trance is to 'good' progressive what beethoven is to banging on pots and pans (or at least its nearest counterpart, Einstürzende Neubauten) :P.

So yeah. Not trying to wind people up - just thinking that we like what we like for a variety of reasons, and quite often we can't help it anyways.



quote:
Originally posted by DaveBegic
nyquist - do all canadians talk as much shit as you do? because you just filled the werribee sewrage plant farm with that one post right there. imagine the possibilities.


sorry for pointing out the white elephant in the room! *runs*

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tachyon
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Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Melbourne, the MC domination central.

never really a fan of vocals... 'skydive' and 'tears from the moon' and delerium tracks are notable exceptions...

<3 samples though... 'she rides', 'the prophet', 'in your eyes'...




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eRRaTiK
g0t milk?



Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem
although when they deteriorate into Nyquist_Theorem-bashing i must admit they get interesting again.


fixed, imo.

quote:
Originally posted by Simon00
Im always floating or the sun is shining or im catching a train or my lifes complete and rapture tastes so sweet or i see birds and trees all the colours of the rainbow or you make my life complete or im a supakainer or well you get the rest.



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Dr P
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Registered: Apr 2003
Location: Bayside

a trance set with out a vocal track is prog and that is boring.

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Joshva
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Registered: Sep 2002
Location: Sydney

I saw this thread on vocal trance and thought i wonder if i got a mention. low and behold first post.

Thanks Dave for the love and support. You'll always be my number 2 fan behind Sid


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eRRaTiK
g0t milk?



Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada

Armin van Buuren - Shivers (Rising Star Mix)

ghey vocal.


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RaVVaR
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Registered: Jan 2004
Location: Melbourne !

Vocals are awesome !!

Hooligan - Hear You Now (Tiesto Remix) :: I rest my case.


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A.J.
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Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Sydney

BT & Chicane are probably the best and most consistend proponents of vocals in trance that i have heard.

I am really loving Middle Eastern sounds in trance at the moment as well, and the haunting vocals are quite unique.

Examples:

Art of Trance vs POB - Turkish Bizarre
Ofra Haza - Love Song

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Sid
uncle thiddles



Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Sydney, Australia

quote:
Originally posted by Joshva
I saw this thread on vocal trance and thought i wonder if i got a mention. low and behold first post.

Thanks Dave for the love and support. You'll always be my number 2 fan behind Sid


thanks joshy

you'll always be my number 1


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eRRaTiK
g0t milk?



Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada

^^ speaking of which.

Infextious - Fly Away


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00soups00
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Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Melbourne

quote:
Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem
I disagree. While there are some things that are nearly universally appealing to western ears (eg basic ET chromatic scale stuff, or 70-160BPM) for mathematical or biological reasons, within those very broad boundaries its pretty subjective stuff. So what's art and what's not? Clearly not something we're going to agree on here - its an age-old argument across every artform. I mean, for sure there is crap dance music and good dance music, but does it take more talent to make belfunk than it does to make 'jump the next train' or 'as the rush comes'? I'd argue that the answer isn't neccesarily a given.

herein lies the problem - most of us would agree that the most commerical tracks are not the best artistically, and in fact there's almost an inverse relationship. in terms of commercial success, cheeseball vocal trance is to 'good' progressive what beethoven is to banging on pots and pans (or at least its nearest counterpart, Einstürzende Neubauten) :P.

So yeah. Not trying to wind people up - just thinking that we like what we like for a variety of reasons, and quite often we can't help it anyways.





sorry for pointing out the white elephant in the room! *runs*




im lovign the articulation.... and all relevant.. there are just too many jaded knobends around who hate all stuff.. however there are prolly too many knobends like myself who's tastes may not be as diserning.. Either way... as long as people keep buying records it keeps our scene floating around..


maybe some people *looking at jizza* are too 'cool' to singalong to tunes in a packed out club....

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Aesthetic
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white elephant? nyquist - you been smoking crack lately?

joshva - i wish i could fly away too


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