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Originally posted by DigiNut Speaking of Logic and Ableton automatically creating tracks, do either/both of these programs let you create templates? One of the things I like about Cubase is that for new projects I can just open a template with my usual drumkit, instruments, routings, effects, mastering plugins, fader levels etc. all in place. That shaves off a good hour or two of monkey work, so when I have an idea in my ahead I can get it down quickly before I forget it.

I don't believe there are templates in ableton but you could just create a template project and always start with that

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Originally posted by DigiNut Hmm, Logic sounds a lot like Cubase actually.

I would have to disagree with this. I have tried both and for me logic and cubase are very different.

I've heard comments about Abletons audio quality. In cubase and logic etc... you are working with true 16 or 24 bit audio files. Apparently Abletun uses granular re-synthesis to achieve its speed of playback and workflow and this can impact on the audio quality somewhat.

Anyone got any info on this?

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Originally posted by Axolotyl I've heard comments about Abletons audio quality. In cubase and logic etc... you are working with true 16 or 24 bit audio files. Apparently Abletun uses granular re-synthesis to achieve its speed of playback and workflow and this can impact on the audio quality somewhat. Anyone got any info on this?

hmm, interesting, I would also like to find out if this is true.

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Originally posted by superddman hmm, interesting, I would also like to find out if this is true.

I'd guess that this only happens if you have "warp mode" activated on your audio clips. Warp mode lets you choose between 4 different types of timestretching & pitch shifting algorithm. If you have warp mode switched off, Ableton will just play the original unaltered audio clip.

But of course I could be completely wrong.

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Originally posted by DaMaul I'd guess that this only happens if you have "warp mode" activated on your audio clips. Warp mode lets you choose between 4 different types of timestretching & pitch shifting algorithm. If you have warp mode switched off, Ableton will just play the original unaltered audio clip. But of course I could be completely wrong.

nope, you're right on target. the time stretching in Ableton is pretty good for most intents and purposes, but if i'm actually producing a track that has parts that need to be timestretched (usually vocals), I often do it in an audio editing program. this could change with Live 5 though, which has a great sounding "complex" warp mode. even though it takes up a bunch of CPU, it's bound to change the way I work with the program.

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Originally posted by Axolotyl I've heard comments about Abletons audio quality. In cubase and logic etc... you are working with true 16 or 24 bit audio files. Apparently Abletun uses granular re-synthesis to achieve its speed of playback and workflow and this can impact on the audio quality somewhat. Anyone got any info on this?

yep...that's true..there was a few topics on their forum about that and none of the admin denied..they admited acctually that the audio quality it is a little bit poor comparing to other seq.i played a little bit with 5 but didnt test the audio quality...it is working great and it is true that the new feat save your CPU.

Weird...audio quality sounds similar in my rig between Cubase and Live 4.

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Originally posted by DigiNut One of these days I am going to get myself a nice fancy G5 and Logic Pro, but for now I'm stuck with the software that's available on PC.

I think that you could try logic on your PC via Linux.
There is an emulator for linux that can emulate Mac OSX.
The problem cames with the hardware, i don't know how that work but I'll gonna try it sometime.

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Originally posted by Airbase yeah, the z3ta screws up the keyboard for Ableton. I think it will be fixed in Ableton 5. Only way to go around it at the moment is by alt-tabbing to another window on your computer and then back, and it should work again until you start working with z3ta again.

Thanks for the tip Jezper.
I consider to not use the z3ta in ableton, it drains alot of cpu.

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Would i be wrong in saying that Mixmeister is basiclly the same concept as albeton. And for that matter although not as accirate Acid ?

Obviously albeton is way more advanced in terms of what u can do, but is the basic concept of an "automated mixing" the same ?

using the term Auotmated losely btw hehe

A question about ableton, when i import a Vocal, when i align it up to the kick etc is automatically in time with the kick etc?

thanks