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Originally posted by wolverine16 Useless info on why I, wolverine want to be taxed...blah blah blah

You're largely confused.

Instead of cutting and pasting from whatever web sites you can find to support the governments claim (the internet is the child of DARPAnet, a US military project, so any data arguing FOR taxation is suspect), read the Code. Find information from many people who have volumes to tell you about the Code. There are people out there that can help you beyond this forum. I found that info on my own.

If you insist that you like being robbed then by all means continue being robbed. But when the tax rate goes to something like 75% then don't complain.

The choice is up to you.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 You're largely confused. Instead of cutting and pasting from whatever web sites you can find to support the governments claim (the internet is the child of DARPAnet, a US military project, so any data arguing FOR taxation is suspect), read the Code.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 You're largely confused. Instead of cutting and pasting from whatever web sites you can find to support the governments claim (the internet is the child of DARPAnet, a US military project, so any data arguing FOR taxation is suspect), read the Code. Find information from many people who have volumes to tell you about the Code. There are people out there that can help you beyond this forum. I found that info on my own. If you insist that you like being robbed then by all means continue being robbed. But when the tax rate goes to something like 75% then don't complain. The choice is up to you. The more you read and learn, the less your adversary will know Sun Tzu Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave Frederick Douglass

Oh come on, taking the easy way out? Hmm, it seemed before you didn't like that I didn't post enough sources for you and you didn't even like when I cited a book with no online text available, but now anything online is wrong?

Considering that you posted this:

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The name of it back then before Lincoln died of lead poisoning was the Department of Internal Revenue. The exact date of when it became the Internal Revenue Serrvice is unknown.

and Yoepus and I both pointed out that it is known, with a date and a reason for the change, I think you're the misguided one posting false information. As a matter of fact here is the transcript of the document . If you don't like the internet, look it up: Reorganization Plan of 1952, dated January 14, 1952 ( EFFECTIVE MAR. 14, 1952, 17 F.R. 2243, 66 STAT. 823, AS AMENDED
JUNE 28, 1955, CH. 189, SEC. 12(C)(19), 69 STAT. 182; SEPT. 13,
1982, PUB. L. 97-258, SEC. 5(B), 96 STAT. 1068, 1085
Prepared by the President and transmitted to the Senate and the
House of Representatives in Congress assembled, January 14, 1952,
pursuant to the provisions of the Reorganization Act of 1949,
approved June 20, 1949 (see 5 U.S.C. 901 et seq.).


"Follow the code, follow the code!" Did you notice my sources showing that the code, particularly title 26, does not supercede the actual laws on such issues? One came from the official code release itself (the only government source you seem to assert is valid and trustworthy) and Lord knows the 16th Amendment is a made-up internet item posted online by the government to fool everyone. I'm quite familiar with paytriots and I don't think I'm going to take your word or theirs at wealth4freedom at face value. I even looked at Lear's court motions before coming to a decision. If one truly thinks, they scrutinize both sides carefully, not just the widely accepted view. Show me where in your unorthodox sources Underwood-Simmons was invalidated because of the existence of the U.S. Codes?

Look up any of the dates and acts or court cases I posted from any source you want and you'll find out they're very real.

As for how much people should be taxed, I thought the questions here were whether federal income taxes are voluntary and/or constitutional. My answers are no and yes respectively, based on a lot more material than you've brought to the table. If you want to debate how much people should be taxed, let's do it, but don't run away from the debate as soon as someone posts something that contradicts what you say. [/Rant]

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Are you a taxpayer?

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Are you a taxpayer?

Of course.

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26 U.S.C. Sec. 7701(a)14: Taxpayer The term ''taxpayer'' means any person subject to any internal revenue tax. 26 U.S.C. §1313: Definitions (b) Taxpayer Notwithstanding section 7701(a)(14), the term ''taxpayer'' means any person subject to a tax under the applicable revenue law.

Continue filing.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Continue filing.

Umm. I think he will.

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My point is that he doesn't bother to read.

So he should continue to file since he just assessed himself and is subjected to the IRC.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 My point is that he doesn't bother to read. So he should continue to file since he just assessed himself and is subjected to the IRC.

I already posted that 26 hasn't been established as positive law. You just posted the answer yourself, any person subject to applicable revenue law. The code is not the end all as to what that is, otherwise please show the contradictory evidence that disproves what the U.S. code printings themselves say that 26 has not been enacted as positive law. Otherwise see Treas. Reg. § 1.1-1(a)(1) or the acts I mentioned, unless we're going to get into the whole "I'm really a foreign sovereign and not a U.S. citizen" debate, since who has to pay income taxes is clearly defined.

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Since you're a taxpayer then continue to pay your taxes.

I'll keep repeating this until someone, somewhere on this green and blue planet, figures out what I am saying.

There's 6 billion of you. Someone's got to have some sort of brain in their skull.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 Since you're a taxpayer then continue to pay your taxes. I'll keep repeating this until someone, somewhere on this green and blue planet, figures out what I am saying. There's 6 billion of you. Someone's got to have some sort of brain in their skull.

So let's make this clear, you are a U.S. citizen, earn substantial wages and haven't filed a federal tax return or paid any income taxes for exactly how many years?

Rather than repeating over and over that you're right, maybe you might be more convincing if you tried explaining how you're right and refuting points that contradict your statements. "The internet started as a military project" hardly disproves anything I said.

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Originally posted by wolverine16 So let's make this clear, you are a U.S. citizen, earn substantial wages and haven't filed a federal tax return or paid any income taxes for exactly how many years?

What I do or have done is irrelevant since that would open up a whole line of questioning into my personal affairs of which I decline to comment.

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Rather than repeating over and over that you're right, maybe you might be more convincing if you tried explaining how you're right and refuting points that contradict your statements. "The internet started as a military project" hardly disproves anything I said.

Don't make assumptions into my being right. I do not pretend to be right just informed.

The military project statement was about looking around for info and just relying on it's varnish as fact. Just read the code and whatever caselaw you can find. If you happen to come across anything for or against then share it. If you go to schiffs site or others related then good but be careful what they say. Read their arguments. there are quite a few people around that have lots of information. You'd have to read it before you can comment. Being that there is false info from both the gov't and others, you'd have to dessimate it yourself. You'd be able to see what makes sense and what doesn't.

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