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kr00t0n
Archduke of Awesome

Registered: Feb 2002
Location: Hibernating
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Jun-25-2005 00:08
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Alccode
teksetter!
Registered: Apr 2002
Location: toronto
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Folks, you must realize that there is a world out there with people having widely varying tastes. Even more subtle is to realize that no one is "right" -- in particular, your opinions aren't the "right" ones. Yes, that's right! What you think is the "Holy Grail" of women, for example, is just your view. Others might disagree, maybe even for good reasons. For example, my "Holy Grail" definition is different; it's sans the drugs, since those reduce the clarity of your thoughts and unravel the integrity of your ego-self. Not healthy.
Another example is music. I used to be into what you now call "cheesy" trance. That period is long gone now. But when I *was* in it, I distinctly recall thinking the exact same thoughts as Estella, only applied to trance, not house. I.e., "I can't understand why anyone would NOT listen to trance." The funniest thing is that afterwards, I could indeed understand why someone wouldn't listen to it, because at that point I myself wouldn't listen to it!
As for techno and house, I can easily come up with reasons why I don't like it -- repetitive, not mentally stimulating, depressive, blah blah blah. I saw Carl Cox once, he was ok, I had a blast dancing, but I don't have the initiative to listen to that on my own; it's just not my thing. But this is because it feels like that to me. There's no such thing as an objective measure of "repetitive" music, say, or "depressive" music. I also find oldies incredibly depressing. But old people, who grew up during those times, find that kind of music envigorating (sp?) and nostalgic. So it's not that there's this globally-applicable label of "bad music" and "good music" so that you then go out and ask, So why don't people like music X? Or even, Why don't girls listen to music X, as if it's the "right" music and thus anyone not listening to it is just wrong. The worst situation to be in, god forbid, is in the minority. You end up with delusions of grandeur, "Oh, woe is me" syndrome and beliefs about the world being fucked up except for you and others like you. This also applies to politics.
Hehe, but take the above with some salt, as you also don't want to sink into extreme relativism, moral or otherwise...
| quote: | Originally posted by est
There is an evolutionary psychology theory suggesting that men become involved in music and the arts to increase their accessibility to attractive women. |
That theory is quite questionable, as far as I'm concerned. Great artists will go to extremes for their creative works, totally disregarding such trivialities as getting laid or married. It's the same as with academics: they don't care about such secular things when they've got entire worlds of Platonic delights in which to revel. Granted, much of this is a "hijacking" of mental processes that were intended for other things. But this is just what makes humans special.
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Jun-25-2005 16:51
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Aiwendil
Ever The Same

Registered: Apr 2005
Location: Ever The Same
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| quote: | Originally posted by Alccode
repetitive, not mentally stimulating, depressive, |
Then electronic dance music is probably not the music for you, friend.
No objective measure of what is and is not more or less repetitive? Sure it's possible. Just find the most varied and/or complicated song you can and likewise the most repetitive, simple song. Then establish a continuum by creating a scale based on musical measurements like octaves, scale, rhythm, texture, movements, and so on. Probably nearly impossible, and most definitely impractical, but there you have it.
Or perhaps i'm looking at it from the wrong direction. You'd have to establish what repetitive and varied mean in music. I guess repetitive would mean a musical note, sound, or melody that repeats very often (Say the most repetitive repeating every bar for example). Varied meaning a song that has musical melody or sounds which repeat less often(Say a melody goes for 500+ bars without repeating). I suppose the amount of these repetitive and varied sounds when they are "layered" or are being played at the same time in harmony or counterpoint would also factor into the scale somehow. Keeping these things in mind, then you'd want to apply musical measurements such as scales, octaves, movements, etc. Is that not correct?
But rhythm now. Rhythm is the key here that I don't know how to turn. What is a complex rhythm over a simple one? Have I already answered that myself? 
The problem I guess you're having is that you really do not, as most western and European people's do not, enjoy less melodic more rhythmic music. While that is understandable, it does not necessarily mean that your favorite track with lots of melodies is inherently more complex than a track Carl Cox would play in one of his sets, for example.
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Last edited by Aiwendil on Jun-25-2005 at 17:36
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