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Originally posted by Dave Clarke Maybe thats because they release shite music that no one wants to buy? Must be something other than P2P because in the UK at least album sales reached an all time high 2 years ago & have been further increasing since then, as far as i know anyway.

true, but it is so much more easy to blame it on mp3...

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7. Boogybytes Vol. 01 (Mixed By Kiki)
8. Addicted 1 (Mixed By Kosmas Epsilon)

So so easy to blame mp3s...

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Originally posted by Tayfoon How can you fucks do it ? does it make u feel all fuzzy inside knowing that youre the one who leaked the new G&D production, or some new Schulz remix ? What gain do you get from this ? Money ? Sluts ? what is it ? What can drive you to do shit like this ? I want to hear from leakers on this subject, as I know there are quite a few on this board Discuss

Since no one wrote it...
I like to think I know a fair deal on the subject, not that I implicate me in any way I just happen to know what's going on. Ever heard of "the scene"?
It's a wonderful little underground world where people/groups exchange pirated goods via ftp servers, there's a hierarchy of positions and lots to do around there in order to leak something.
I won't bother you with gritty details, suffice to say is that for as how much you give you receive back trifold or more.
There's other things than just music exchange going on, think movies, games, programs, anything that can be copied.
It's really just well structured exchange unlike anarchistic p2p for example. To think there's something personal behind these peoples' actions would be idealistic. The only "personal" bit comes between rivalry and competition these people go through to deliver the "release" first.

Things to know though, most if not all involved don't condone p2p, and "release" things with intent to keep it in the "community".
Most if not all urge people to buy artists works if they like them.
And most if not all don't do it for money. I'd say they're actually helping artists get exposed and thus improve their sales.

i was going to post something about my thoughts on the subject but then i remembered that "arguing on the internet is retarded"-gif. but i did find some numbers on riaa's website. i'm not going to talk about the decline in sales but i was just suprised to see that "Cassette Singles" were still being sold in 2002 ??

RIAA 2004 year end stats

I've never even seen a cassette single but what stupid label decided to release something on a cassette in 2002? and a single!?

good luck with your argument..

i havent bought a single brand new trance track since i bought my vinyl decks year and a half ago says it all really i used to be really into trance aswell u cant blame p2p software for that trance is just a load of shit i moved on to other genres now.

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Touche! I have to agree with everything that Ian^ said, cause that's what I think too!

Look at me - I used to download a lot of music and still do - but I a also buy what I like - I've got close to 700 CDs now, mostly EDM. And that number goes up every week

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Originally posted by Ian^ aye, I think he's gotta take a look in the mirror & ask himself "would anyone (labels & ppl) know who i was without the internet or p2p" I also wonder what he thinks about ppl who've downloaded his tunes & gone on to buy them ?

I'll be the first person to admit that trance is where it is today becuase of the internet, that is indeed how I found out about it myself, BUT, it has gone completely the other way around now. It is doing nothing but hurting it.

What do I think about people who download then buy? I respect people like that, but unfortunately they are a minority. The reason why I am even making this thing an issue is because people have this notion that they do not hurt the artists, trance artists in particular, but when you are talking about quantities of 100's and occasionally 1000s of sales, you indeed are hurting it, especially lame sites that illegally sell mp3s. I do not understand the mentality of people who buy tracks off sites like those...

The issue has been beaten to death and back and some people just won't change their views.

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Originally posted by DC- It is doing nothing but hurting it.

Prove it.

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What do I think about people who download then buy? I respect people like that, but unfortunately they are a minority.

Prove it.

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when you are talking about quantities of 100's and occasionally 1000s of sales, you indeed are hurting it,

Prove it.





Well, my work is done.

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Addy fo SHADDY ! hiccup, KA pladdy.

Before i'm willing to buy a track I want to listen to it. Just like before I buy an album i want to listen to it. I don't want to listen to shit quality short clip either i want the full song and if i like it i'll track it down and buy it. Most people i know do the exact same thing. I wouldn't know about half the artists and or labels if I didn't have tracklists from live mixes, listen to artists other stuff etc.

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This has gone a different way then i expected

Im not talking about sharing released tracks as we all know that is going to happen anyway

Im talking about tunes, that arent signed to labels, or arent even out on promo

If you want to listen to a track before you buy it, good, download it when its out and then decide , but we all know that leaking a track months before its release date HURTS THE RELEASE SIGNIFICANTLY

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Prove it. Prove it. Prove it. Well, my work is done.

haha

first time i've agreed with one of your posts in eons