quote:

Originally posted by tiesto14 I cant beleive you people are still argueing about this...whats so hard to understand....Bin Laden did it...there is overwhelming proof, seems like everyone who thinks hes not involoved is basically the type of person who gets off on getting into challenging conversations with people for no reason.....why is it so difficult for the people who think he didnt do it to understand he did....are you that incompitent, are your eyes watered when you see the news, are you unable to read the newspapers....what is it please tell me...its very sad...

your right most people just object just to make a argument thats how most people are in this world...nothing u can do about it .....most of these people if they had to choose what was right or wrong or do anything of there choice they wouldnt know what to do ..... those are the people if u started out this thread saying htat bin ladin isnt guilty and those video tapes were fake ...they would respond and say no they are real and hes guility ... thats how life is people always will argue the opposite side but when they have to chose a side they wouldnt know what to do. and this isnt toward any body on this board this is just how i see things so there is nothing personaly about this..... ill say even im that way sometimes. thats just how people are

Posted By DJ Ahmet

quote:

You just hate me yeah??

Of course we do. Not really.

It's nice to see a muslim say something for a change I'd like to encourage more muslims to comment on the issues.

Watching Osama gloating over his "triumph" made me think. First of all I should state first that I don't believe in any religion. I don't believe there is a God and if there was he's not to be found in any religious book, church or whatever. I should also point out that I'm not particularly educated in Islam and Muslim.

We have all heard muslim people coming out and saying that the Taliban are extremist and they don't express the beliefs of muslims etc. Fair enough and I understand their point.
I get the feeling though that Osama and the Taliban are actually saying what the Koran is saying. I mean they were always quoting stuff from it and other religious sources. I 'm sure they could sit and quote things for days about how the non-beleivers must be crashed and all this shit. As I said I don't know much about it but I know for sure that there are sayings like that in the Koran (eye for an eye etc.). I get the feeling therefore that the Taliban are not paraphrasing the Koran but actually following it to the letter. I think that the rest of the more civilized muslim people are paraphrasing it because of the natural need to play done the things that it says. Of course that is good. Who wants more fanatics like them(The taliban)? Tell me though what are the morals that Islam teaches? What values?
There are a lot of bollox in the bible as well but at least christianity teaches some good things and I respect that. It teaches to love each other no matter of beliefs or origin or what ever, that everyone is equal and so on... Not that we needed religions to tell us all that. Every human being should think that for themselves. But if some people need to be told then I guess we should tell them.
Furthermore muslims are more into their religion.
Fanatical christians anoy me, fanatical muslims are just too much for me to handle.
IMO it just shows uneducated uncivilized people.
I mean after the 11th September most of the muslim community (and I am not talking about the muslims in US or UK, I'm talking about the arabic world that lives there) were ready to fight all the christians, they were shouting Jihad and kill the americans and all that bollox. You didn't see any christians doing the same. Why? Because I think christians have more relaxed morals, more liberal ideas that helped them progress from being christians to being actually civilized. I don't think that in the Western world no big decision would be based on a religion any more. It's money that moves everything now and trust me I prefer it from any religion.

I say forget religions, forget nationalities forget history (history awakens pains that are better off forgotten). We all live on the same fucking huge ball. I long for the day that humanity will be united (trully united) with no borders, no religions, no wars. I know that I'm not going to see that but it will happen one day. I'm sure it will, it must.

I am not trying to make aparticular points just a few statements out of my head as I sit here with a serious deprevession of sleep. Goodnight.(oops it's morning)
Peace.

___________________
Dance till you drop

@tiesto14: I thought you wanted to leave?
@the clubber: Really good post If its not allowed to question the actions, we should just leave, close our eyes and watch the next massacre coming.

___________________
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness - only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate - only love can do that... The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

tiesto14: I don't know if you were talking about me. But if you were I haven't said that the tape is fake - there are far more factors that suggest it's real. But if it was discovered that they were fake, frankly I wouldn't be surprised.
trancecluber: I could just as easily accuse you of simply arguing against what everyone else is saying, for arguments sake. Why is your accusation more legitimate than mine? Because your opinions have been hand fed to you by the media?
AchillesB: some good points. As for your comments on Islam: I would say the Qur'an does not have many more crazy things in it than the bible (eg. we're supposed to stone prostitutes to death). In my opinion most extremists are bred by an ignorant or uncivilised culture, not an evil or somehow inferior religion.

___________________
"my son will be a gienues(sp?)" - Originally posted by Googooly
"many species of bear give blowjobs." - Originally posted by Sunsnail.. NOW CONFIRMED BY PHOTO EVIDENCE!
"astroboy is brave and gentle and wise." - Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
"ew! i wouldn't go anywhere near a homeless dudes butthole... not even if i was sodomizing him with a poison ivy cactus dildo" - Originally posted by lücid
"also can someone post the link to my mom's forum, thank you!" - Originally posted by miamitrance04
"dude man its not me its what the world does to me. Trust me I'm a normal person people just constantly fuck with me." Originally posted by ********
"I can see Lira getting a hard-on already. And believe me, Brazilian ass rape is the worst." - Originally posted by Meat187

Last edited by astroboy on Dec-18-2001 at 00:53

AchillesB - Some nice points there....
astroboy - Stoning Prositute to death with stone isnt in the Koran.... See the thing with Islam, some of u can think, How the fuck do these people believe in this stuff... well Islam and all its folowers arre brought up as one. thats why alot of the islamic ppl are ready to fight together... They see eachother as Brothers and Sisters... As for the stoning thingy, its actually Adultery is punishable but in the Koran it doesnt ssay, whoever commits Adultery is to be stoned to death, Bang Stone him/her... U r ment to look at the situation, if the womans husband cant get it up, or the mans wife has somethign wrong with her etc etc, same with the 4 wives thing, u cant just go out and marry 4 women and bring them home, u gotta get permission from your 1st wife first, and there has to be a reason to get the second or third etc, like if your 1st wife cant have kids or something... Growing Beards and Bashing woman etc is not part of the religion... i hate people that do this and act like this...

Another thing i want to point out is... How come when Timothy McVeigh (or whatever his name is) done the Oaklohoma bombings they never brought up his religion? Im not saying Osama and his gang are right, or Timothy dude is right, im just saying that the media is fucked.

Please Feel Free to say anything u like.

Fuck these Posts get long...

@AchillesB: I do not see any difference between the Bible and the koran. They're both abused by some fanatics. Ever heard of the "holy war" or the crusades in the middle age? Its quite the same as the holy war today. The thing is that the western civilisation nhas progressed a lot further than 3-world-countries. The abuse of religion occurs mainly in "poor" countries in my opinion thats why you see in Europe not that much of fanatic movements.
Btw: Georg "I have no idea what Im talking about" bush speaks almost exactly the same like Pope Urban did in Clement 12 hundred something. The picture of the "justified" war is the same, and look what words he use: god bless america blabla.
But I agree with you that religion is nothing good, because it can be abused so easily. Oh and for the one who mocked about the alien-believers (it must be tiesto14), i rather believe in Aliens than in some God!

___________________
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness - only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate - only love can do that... The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

quote:

Originally posted by cweb @AchillesB: I do not see any difference between the Bible and the koran. They're both abused by some fanatics. Ever heard of the "holy war" or the crusades in the middle age? Its quite the same as the holy war today. The thing is that the western civilisation nhas progressed a lot further than 3-world-countries. The abuse of religion occurs mainly in "poor" countries in my opinion thats why you see in Europe not that much of fanatic movements. Btw: Georg "I have no idea what Im talking about" bush speaks almost exactly the same like Pope Urban did in Clement 12 hundred something. The picture of the "justified" war is the same, and look what words he use: god bless america blabla. But I agree with you that religion is nothing good, because it can be abused so easily. Oh and for the one who mocked about the alien-believers (it must be tiesto14), i rather believe in Aliens than in some God!

Religion was always abused, for the last couple of centuries the church, the pope and other followers were abusing the bible and religion... killing people who they couldn't convert to their own religion, starting the holy wars and shit just because of a single book (Bible) that they followed, doing all kind of other shit and then justifying it by religion. Even in today's society it is being abused to the maximum. A few days ago I just read that the priests in Vatican were sexually abusing women, and when they got "busted" they apologized, and nothing happened (they are catholic priests, for God's sake, we can't judge them)... And yeah, G. Bush is trying to justify some of the actions as if the God himself would do the same thing he is trying to do.

___________________

Keep it real, and stay single, always mingle...

quote:

Originally posted by AchillesB I say forget religions, forget nationalities forget history (history awakens pains that are better off forgotten). We all live on the same fucking huge ball. I long for the day that humanity will be united (trully united) with no borders, no religions, no wars. I know that I'm not going to see that but it will happen one day. I'm sure it will, it must.

I'm adding that to my database of quotes if you don't mind AchillesB. I cited you as the author, and put your tranceaddict email address. for now the database is just something I have on my computer, but eventually it will go on my website. let me know if that is OK with you..

quote:

Originally posted by Kurve your right most people just object just to make a argument thats how most people are in this world...nothing u can do about it .....most of these people if they had to choose what was right or wrong or do anything of there choice they wouldnt know what to do ..... those are the people if u started out this thread saying htat bin ladin isnt guilty and those video tapes were fake ...they would respond and say no they are real and hes guility ... thats how life is people always will argue the opposite side but when they have to chose a side they wouldnt know what to do. and this isnt toward any body on this board this is just how i see things so there is nothing personaly about this..... ill say even im that way sometimes. thats just how people are

ok people read my post again please...cuz i clearly stated that this isnt attended no one directly ...didnt say i agreed with tiesto or whoevers opinion on a solution ... all i said most people will argue about everything just to be the opposite thats a fact of life... and i even stated that i am that way at times too... people just love to argue or have a opposite viewpoint of everything but most dont have a strong view point on anything... thats what i said ... and for some u who responded from what i said on the post before ... i wouldl have to think mayb what i said makes u insure i dunno ..i cant see why someone takes it personal...and if u want me to express my view points....im all for america 100% of the way and no i dont want to use nuclear weapones on this country but i would like for certain people brought to justice and if that requires a war to be fought then so be it

quote:

Originally posted by Cweb @the clubber: Really good post If its not allowed to question the actions, we should just leave, close our eyes and watch the next massacre coming.

to be honest if u read back ur own post and many others in here sounds like thats what u want the US to after what happend in Sept 11th........ and people just cuz i have a differnet view point then many of u doesnt mean i dont get a long with u guys ...let our view points not get between us and trance!!!! LOL lets always be TA brothers and sisters!!!

quote:

Originally posted by DJAhmet AchillesB - Some nice points there.... astroboy - Stoning Prositute to death with stone isnt in the Koran....

I know, I didn't express myself very clearly. I was actually saying that the old testament (of the bible) says prostitutes should be stoned to death. - [I'm actually not too sure about this... but from memory, i think its in there -- although it is contradicted in the new testament]

In any case I was trying to defend Islam by saying that it is culture not religion that breeds voilence (as RAWA representatives keep trying to tell people).

___________________
"my son will be a gienues(sp?)" - Originally posted by Googooly
"many species of bear give blowjobs." - Originally posted by Sunsnail.. NOW CONFIRMED BY PHOTO EVIDENCE!
"astroboy is brave and gentle and wise." - Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
"ew! i wouldn't go anywhere near a homeless dudes butthole... not even if i was sodomizing him with a poison ivy cactus dildo" - Originally posted by lücid
"also can someone post the link to my mom's forum, thank you!" - Originally posted by miamitrance04
"dude man its not me its what the world does to me. Trust me I'm a normal person people just constantly fuck with me." Originally posted by ********
"I can see Lira getting a hard-on already. And believe me, Brazilian ass rape is the worst." - Originally posted by Meat187

astroboy: I know for sure that the whore thing is contradicted in the new testament but abyway... we're not trying to analyze religious books here. lol

quote:

In my opinion most extremists are bred by an ignorant or uncivilised culture, not an evil or somehow inferior religion.

Don't you think that ignorant and uncivilized cultures are related to their religion?
It seems to me that they are.
cweb & fantom: I agree with you 100% and I say again that humanity would be better off without any religions whatsoever. BUT (putting behind the things that the church did in the past. and these are a lot of stupid things I agree) I see that nowadays christian countries are more civilized and much less of a threat to the rest of the world (the rest of the world being not christians only but all of us)
And God Bless America bollox is just talk of politics not religion.
Do you consider Bush a christian? I don't.
I mean I see that young people in general don't believe in god anymore(thank God for that lol) and surely (if this doesn't happen already) this will reflect to politicians as well. It is just harder for them to confess because they will lose a great deal of voters. Why did Bush shortly after the attacks visit muslim communities etc. VOTES.
RavingLunatic: I already replied to you (PM). Thank you.

___________________
Dance till you drop