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Originally posted by Ishkur Okay, so let me get this straight: In an earlier post you claim that EBM doesn't exist because you don't know anything about it and if you don't know anything about something then it's not possibly worth knowing, I call you on your bullshit, and now you're claiming that your feigning knowledge was something I should have deduced by putting on my robe and wizard hat and chucking a crystal ball through your skull. So allow me to be frank here: Do you have a head, or are you always this fucking retarded? Smooth backpeddling there, Captain Testicle. If you feel perturbed that someone called you on your bullshit, then don't post fucking bullshit. Next time you feel the burning compulsion to tell everyone that you're a fuckdonut, and then they go out and prove it, stop right there. Acquiesce and move on, or stick around and learn something. You're here to learn, right? So shut the fuck up and listen. Big important people who know far more than you are talking.

you're so cyber tough. i'm shivering in my cyber shoes. o nooooooooooooooooooos. i forgot to ask you last time, is sex in you little cyber world better than in the real one. let me guess, you have no idea what it's like in the real one, do you?


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u really can't be serious abnout the anger you expressed in your post can you? i mean, fo sho GANGSTA! WESTSIDE!


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smooth backpedelling on my part? oh noos Captian Obvious to the rescue again! really, you're wasting your uncanny talent to point out obvious things here. seriously, why not go to Darfur, Sudan and tell the starving people that they're starving cos they have no food?

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you're really are STUPID if you think that you're insulting me by writing that i am "fucking retarded' on an internet message board. and i really mean it.

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this is fun. i have the energy for a lot more. your turn....

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on topic or stfu please, ppl are trying to figure shit out.

so there is no single term for dancey industrial, thats really neat how things arent so bound to specific categories unlike most music I have been listening to. It does kinda hurt to have to sift through angry guitars and other harsh noises to find this stuff though.

I just tried this skinny puppy cd out(how does one classify this noise), that was quite painful, not a big fan of white noise or whatever the fuck that nasty sound was, I feel lucky that I was not playing it through larger speakers that shit was like headache inducing, guess thats what I get for following "easy listening" trance music so much. Thanks alot subey(just joking a little )

That wikipedia article described this kind of music as "music that is meant to challenge one's ideas about what music is supposed to sound like". I like that idea and I notice alot of these artists take it a bit extreme, sometimes they come up with something really mind blowing but alot of the stuff just hurts my head. To me this stye is very hit and miss, there seems to be a subset of it that I enjoy but it appears that there is no crowd of people that follows that dancable subset without also following the really harsh nasty noises that come along with it. Imagine that, a scene that is not fragmented into separate little subcliques (cough cough).

this thread is roflarious.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange you're so cyber tough.

Hey, you started it.

Now run along sonny. Go play with your ball someplace else.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 so there is no single term for dancey industrial

No, there are several genres for it, just like any other big genre. There's just as many subgenres of Industrial as there are for Trance or House or any others. EBM is the most famous, New Beat and Futurepop are its offspring. Go listen to some Icon of Coil. There you go right there. Industrial with Ferry Corsten presets.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 so there is no single term for dancey industrial, thats really neat how things arent so bound to specific categories unlike most music I have been listening to. It does kinda hurt to have to sift through angry guitars and other harsh noises to find this stuff though.

You have to understand the the goth scene (which is essentially the biomass for industrial, goth, darkwave, EBM etc...) isnt the same as the trance scene. These are people that get off on reciting poetry, bloodletting and dressing up as vampires and ghouls. On occasion they will go to clubs and concerts to see DJs or bands but its not all about that. So essentiall the EDM aspect of industrial and its prodgeny is only an aspect of that style of music. By comparison, trance is specifically a genre based around dance parties with strict bpm and even stricter policies on track structures.

Theres probably more diversity of sounds on a single industrial album than all of the styles of trance combined. Trance as most people know it, is a very narrow style of EDM with inward refining of sounds rather than outward creativity and experimentation. This isnt a criticism either... its just fact.

Interest in something like industrial usually has to be something more than passing though since its merits arn't as obvious as say an Armin Van Buuren CD. I think you just need to find the acts that are making the stuff you like which can be difficult since theres a lot of diversity in industrial styles. But like any form of music, its also about refining your taste for it as much as finding the tracks that do it for you.

I dont really listen to all that much of it anymore so cant confidently recommend more recent acts but definately listen to Front Line Assembly and Cubanate. Excellent production and even their less dancy tracks are fairly trance like. Also, Nine Inch Nails remix albums... Fixed and Further Down the Spiral are also pretty good pounding industrial.

Also, I'd suggest looking at some of the darker styles of psytrance if your really after fucked up sounds with a fast beat. Juno Reactor, Dark Soho, Kindzadza and even Wizzy Noise have a fair ammount of industrial inflences and arnt what you would call normal psytrance ie: trippy drug music made for hippies.

Good on you for checking out trance in other genres. Theres a lot more to trance music than what the stuff that actually calls itself 'trance' pretends to be.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Wrong. Trance came from EBM/New Beat more than anything else. It's roots lie completely in the realm of the industrial ethos. What's disgraceful is you don't know that.

I've witnessed you claim this for some time now, but I don't understand why.

What connection is there between early EBM and the techno that emerged from Frankfurt? I'm not challenging the statement, I'm just honestly curious and have not found such a connection on my own.

The only connection I know is that EBM bands residenced in GOA in the late 80's where DJ's/Producers like GOA Gil took the most psychedelic parts of EBM tracks, minus the vocals and stuff, then made this crazy crap that turned into GOA Trance. Or that's what he said in an interview, pretty much.

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Originally posted by Cobalt What connection is there between early EBM and the techno that emerged from Frankfurt? I'm not challenging the statement, I'm just honestly curious and have not found such a connection on my own.

Coil, Psychic TV, the Waxtrax all released proto-trance records in the late 80s. Go hunt down Voltage Control - Apocalypse or Force Legato - System (which, btw, is none other than Oliver Lieb) for that great New Beat/trance straddling link around about 1990. I love this stuff. Trance with some muscle! Wish I could check Discogs for more, but its down (yet again) at the moment.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil The only connection I know is that EBM bands residenced in GOA in the late 80's where DJ's/Producers like GOA Gil took the most psychedelic parts of EBM tracks, minus the vocals and stuff, then made this crazy crap that turned into GOA Trance. Or that's what he said in an interview, pretty much.

Yeah, that's all I'm aware of, too. Goa emerged from a fusion of EBM, acid house, and German techno, around 1990ish when everything was traded around at Goa parties. But that hardly strikes me as the predominant influence of trance, or even Goa for that matter; European acid trance swung it decisively into the trance family. Sure, there were repetitive EBM productions in the late 80s, but I don't see how they connect with the Frankfurt sound that spawned Sven Vath, Lieb, Cosmic Baby, Paul van Dyk, etc.

If we're going to call 'trance' anything that has a synthesized beat and a trance-inducing, repetitive character, we might as well go back to the beginning of Tangerine Dream in the early 70s, if not further.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Coil, Psychic TV, the Waxtrax all released proto-trance records in the late 80s. Go hunt down Voltage Control - Apocalypse or Force Legato - System (which, btw, is none other than Oliver Lieb) for that great New Beat/trance straddling link around about 1990. I love this stuff. Trance with some muscle! Wish I could check Discogs for more, but its down (yet again) at the moment.

Will do. Thank you for the pointer.

By the way, I did pick up Towards Thee Infinite Beat. Interesting stuff, though I'm not sure I would place it in the proto-trance column.

Black Rainbow: Yum!

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Originally posted by Cobalt Will do. Thank you for the pointer.

Get this

Especially Das Spiel by 'O' (who is none other than Martin Damm, who is none other than Biochip C.....ahah)

Actually BOY Records would be a good place to look for that kind of stuff.

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