Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I fail to see how you can associate Scooter with techno, Detroit or otherwise. There is nothing to suggest that the two have any connection. Apart from its initial resemblence to electro, techno has not changed that much in 20 years. Just because everyone started calling dance music "techno" in 1990, doesn't mean everything that got that label is techno.
exactly what I've been trying to tell that guy in numerous posts
he still believes Scooter can be labeled as techno. Just read his first post in this thread again. Mark Oh............ the horror the horror.....
Second of all, you were talking about the basics of techno. As you probably know, the basics of techno is actually quite melodic.
sorry buddy but i dont know what techno you have been listening to.
the techno ive heard - melody is largely irrelevant. many techno tunes are minimal to the point of not having any melody at all whereas others are just as dissonant as they are consonant. sometimes unmusical acidic 303 squelches. 303 basslines consisting of just 1 repeated note but stuttered or staggered to make it rhythmic. theres rarely any harmonisation at all. its impossible to create harmonies on a 303 anyway because it is monophonic (i.e. you can only ever play 1 note at a time). techno is a very rhythym oriented style of music and in my opinion works because of it.
it is fitting that the tools often used to create techno (303 transistor bass synth and roland transistor drum machines) are not played like conventional musical instruments either. they have no keys - only a 16 step timeline along 1 piano octave. thats partly why techno is characterised by its repetition, (in musical terms) its simplicity and its emphasis on percussive grooves.
i guess you could say its quite a primitive, tribal style of music. real back to basics, no faffing around stuff.
Nov-13-2005 18:04
basd
progression
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Location: Somewhere nowhere
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Originally posted by Derivative
sorry buddy but i dont know what techno you have been listening to.
Detroit.
Both the old stuff and newer producers and DJs influenced by those.
And you could have done without your recital of a 303 manual.
It sounds very mechanical and is very very reptitive to the untrained ear.
So seeing how I have one of those untrianed ears and agree with this statement, could someone explain to me, what variations in techno make the genre so applealing ot the trained ear?
Nov-13-2005 19:02
Aiwendil
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quote:
Originally posted by Derivative
the techno ive heard - melody is largely irrelevant.
Well...I think he may have worded it a little badly by saying the basics of techno are melodic. Maybe that the beginnings of techno were melodic would be a better thing to say.
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Nov-13-2005 19:54
Trance-M
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So all sub-styles developed out of Techno have nothing to do with Techno at all.
And a car with a electrical engine is not a car because it should have a gazoline engine? (like the first ones) Hmmmm.
"Duo Safri-Played A Live" without melody and synths would transform form Trance back into Techno. Sub-styles have nothing in common with Techno....
In my view Techno is the mother or father of all sub-styles, that way all sub-style have a bit of Techno in it, which maybe doesn't sound at all like the early (Detroit) Techno. (So even Scooter fits in this view).
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Nov-13-2005 20:44
RebeL9
The Digital Blonde addict
Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden
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Originally posted by Trance-MB
So all sub-styles developed out of Techno have nothing to do with Techno at all.
And a car with a electrical engine is not a car because it should have a gazoline engine? (like the first ones) Hmmmm.
"Duo Safri-Played A Live" without melody and synths would transform form Trance back into Techno. Sub-styles have nothing in common with Techno....
In my view Techno is the mother or father of all sub-styles, that way all sub-style have a bit of Techno in it, which maybe doesn't sound at all like the early (Detroit) Techno. (So even Scooter fits in this view).
yes but you seem to forget that techno even today is a genre of its own. which got nothing to do with Scooter.
Originally posted by Trance-MB
So all sub-styles developed out of Techno have nothing to do with Techno at all.
And a car with a electrical engine is not a car because it should have a gazoline engine? (like the first ones) Hmmmm.
"Duo Safri-Played A Live" without melody and synths would transform form Trance back into Techno. Sub-styles have nothing in common with Techno....
In my view Techno is the mother or father of all sub-styles, that way all sub-style have a bit of Techno in it, which maybe doesn't sound at all like the early (Detroit) Techno. (So even Scooter fits in this view).
I think you're mixing up "techno" with "edm". Techno and trance are both sub-genres of edm, but trance is not a sub-genre of techno, even though many of the early trance producers had a techno background. Many forms of edm has developed independently of techno, such as electro and ambient, so saying that techno is "the mother or father of all sub-styles" is wrong. Scooter has never, and will never produce techno music, period.
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Nov-13-2005 21:15
SYSTEM-J
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester
quote:
Originally posted by Trance-MB
So all sub-styles developed out of Techno have nothing to do with Techno at all.
And a car with a electrical engine is not a car because it should have a gazoline engine? (like the first ones) Hmmmm.
"Duo Safri-Played A Live" without melody and synths would transform form Trance back into Techno. Sub-styles have nothing in common with Techno....
In my view Techno is the mother or father of all sub-styles, that way all sub-style have a bit of Techno in it, which maybe doesn't sound at all like the early (Detroit) Techno. (So even Scooter fits in this view).
That's bullshit. Just because music has evolved from techno (which Scooter didn't anyway), doesn't mean it has to keep the name. Otherwise Scooter are disco (disco > house > acid house > KLF > Scooter). You can't just lump everything in under a distant parent genre when it sounds nothing like that style.
Originally posted by Snooper
I think you're mixing up "techno" with "edm". Techno and trance are both sub-genres of edm, but trance is not a sub-genre of techno, even though many of the early trance producers had a techno background. Many forms of edm has developed independently of techno, such as electro and ambient, so saying that techno is "the mother or father of all sub-styles" is wrong. Scooter has never, and will never produce techno music, period.
In the early 90's trance was considered a sub genre of techno, the commercialism has given a trance a new idenity it seems.
