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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Now, aren't all Irish people drunks who like to fight after soccer games or are members of the IRA who fight over which branch of Christianity they think everyone should follow. And everyone's always after "yer pot o'gold" (or in America's marketing world, your Lucky Charms) Stereotypes are fun, right?

My initial post, as I keep saying, was NOT my personal idea of americans, its the image our media gives of the country. I said IF your country is like that then that is why i feel edm will never make it big. It is people like who, who haven't got a clue about the outside world, that give your country a bad name. Fair enough its grand to talk bout stereotypes of a country... once you know what fuckin country you are talking about!!

The fighting after 'soccer' games you talk about is in England...we don't even have a decent 'soccer' league. It is a semi-pro league and there isn't even enough people at the games to have an arguement never mind a fight! And the conflict involving the IRA is in Northern Ireland which is officially a seperate country, hence the reason why the IRA was set up.

I have actually come across one or two american's like you, who don't know anything about the world outside the big U.S. of A. I met them while in Italy 3 years ago and both of these are no word of a lie.

While sitting in a restraunt, 2 elderly americans heard our accents...'Are you guys Irish?'...'Yes, why?' I said...'Oh my god, do you know the O'Reilly's from Limerick?'. Just to explain, Limerick is the one of the largest cities in Ireland...That is like asking any random american do they know the Smiths from New York. I didn't think they were seroius but they then said 'do you ever talk to the leprechauns?'. Realising their stupidity, we told them my uncle was a leprechaun and lived at the bottom of a rainbow. Only then we realised the hours of fun you can get from people like this!

3 days later, 2 young women heard our accents. We told them we were Irish and their honest response was...wait for it...'Do you know Tina in Switzerland?'. WTF??? We said again 'But we are Irish' and one of the girls replied 'Yeah but isn't Ireland in Europe too?'

My point is if you give personal opinions on the stereotypes of a country, make sure you have a vague idea of the country you talk about.

p.s. i'll give you the stereotype of us liking our drink

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I'd rather keep EDM underground.

I concur.
All genres can be associated with drugs because that's a fact.
I listen to ALOT of rap and other stuff like SKA, 2 step etc.
And I know that rap isn't... well if you look at normal rap (the beats) you will instantly see that it's alot more repetitive than trance. It's just that they're not focusing on the beats as much as on the texts (And I'm referring to the real, good rap, not 50 Cent reeling off stuff about his whoes and drugs n money), that's why.
I'm not saying their beats suck, they actually rock, some of them, and it's the same with pretty much every genre you can think about, that's natural.

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Originally posted by djpaulc My initial post, as I keep saying, was NOT my personal idea of americans, its the image our media gives of the country. I said IF your country is like that then that is why i feel edm will never make it big. It is people like who, who haven't got a clue about the outside world, that give your country a bad name. Fair enough its grand to talk bout stereotypes of a country... once you know what fuckin country you are talking about!! The fighting after 'soccer' games you talk about is in England...we don't even have a decent 'soccer' league. It is a semi-pro league and there isn't even enough people at the games to have an arguement never mind a fight! And the conflict involving the IRA is in Northern Ireland which is officially a seperate country, hence the reason why the IRA was set up. I have actually come across one or two american's like you, who don't know anything about the world outside the big U.S. of A. I met them while in Italy 3 years ago and both of these are no word of a lie. While sitting in a restraunt, 2 elderly americans heard our accents...'Are you guys Irish?'...'Yes, why?' I said...'Oh my god, do you know the O'Reilly's from Limerick?'. Just to explain, Limerick is the one of the largest cities in Ireland...That is like asking any random american do they know the Smiths from New York. I didn't think they were seroius but they then said 'do you ever talk to the leprechauns?'. Realising their stupidity, we told them my uncle was a leprechaun and lived at the bottom of a rainbow. Only then we realised the hours of fun you can get from people like this! 3 days later, 2 young women heard our accents. We told them we were Irish and their honest response was...wait for it...'Do you know Tina in Switzerland?'. WTF??? We said again 'But we are Irish' and one of the girls replied 'Yeah but isn't Ireland in Europe too?' My point is if you give personal opinions on the stereotypes of a country, make sure you have a vague idea of the country you talk about. p.s. i'll give you the stereotype of us liking our drink

I'll give you the IRA point. I confused that while quickly responding to your post. I mean, it is the IRA, not the NIRA (Northern Irish Republican Army) and there hasn't been much reported lately because they've supposedly ended their armed campaign as of this past summer.

The point that I was trying to make is that you're attempting to stereotype a nation of 280 million people (compared to Ireland's 4 million, which is half the population of New York City), which covers a land mass 2.5x the EU (Ireland's the size of our state of Indiana), and has both citizens and residents from incredibly diverse cultural backgrounds. You'll find that California and Alabama are two completely different worlds and sometimes it boggles my mind that both are part of the same nation. Even if only 1% of Americans listened to EDM, that's still a pretty significant number of fans and rivals the size of an entire population of some nations. So yeah, EDM might be real popular in Ireland, but there still might be more total listeners here even if it's not one of the most popular forms of music.

To state that everyone here wants to be a rapper, ditzy bimbo, or goth is a little ridiculous. You need to learn the same thing that we did a long time ago, that our media is pretty much bullshit and you've got to learn how to filter out the truth yourself. Also, we export entertainment like it's our job. If you take that entertainment to be a realistic representation of American life, too bad for you. I hope you don't watch reality shows much. Or talk shows (you'll get a real great slice of America from them) .

Obviously, you have a very limited understanding of the country that you were stereotyping, too, which is pretty poor considering how much more international coverage the US gets compared to Ireland.

And I'd really like to know how you've compared me to someone who thinks you're close to Switzerland because I confused your country with that of your similarly named neighbor. It's almost like confusing the US states of North and South Dakota. You're speculation about my understanding of world events, geography and cultures because I screwed up a few facts about Ireland is fairly off the mark, but I guess everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

Lastly, if it's not your perception of Americans, but the one presented by your media, why bring it up in the first place? You stated that I knew nothing about Ireland, but honestly, what do you know about the US? Have you ever been here (doubtful, since you've only met two stupid Americans like the ones in your post, and there's a lot more than that here)? Every nation's media does a great job of pointing out problems and deficiencies in other nations. News usually is a good source of finding out what's going wrong in the world, as they usually focus on the negative aspects of nations rather than they positive. In a way, it promotes nationalism by showing how much better your own country is than the rest of the world. I mean, look at what's portrayed of Arabs in the media (I'm guessing your coverage isn't any better than ours on that one).

OK, rant over, sorry for the long-windedness everyone.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy To state that everyone here wants to be a rapper, ditzy bimbo, or goth is a little ridiculous.

Please read my original post again. You will find that all along I am talking about 'America's teenage music-buyers as represented in the media', not every American, far from it.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy And I'd really like to know how you've compared me to someone who thinks you're close to Switzerland because I confused your country with that of your similarly named neighbor....

Ireland.........England.......yeah I can see how they are similarly named!!

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy what do you know about the US? Have you ever been here

............please read through the thread again.


My views on America and the people there, are based on my experiences and not the media. I have met many great people from the U.S. My experience of Americans, even through these forums, have been far more positive than negative...but this has absolutely nothing to do with my original thread!!

This thread was started on a purely musical subject and you have brought it into a whole load of nationality bollox. My first line stated that I did not start the thread to offend or generalise...I wanted people's opinions, especially Americans, on if they think edm will ever break the mainstream market in the U.S. I said that judging from ONLY the media's perspective of the American teenage music buyers, it does not seem that edm stands a chance. I received many genuine replies in which I got a good insight into the issue, tanx to you people, where as you seemed to take exception to the whole thing. If you want to talk about music, I will gladly do so for as long as you want. If you want to argue about national stereotypes, fuck off...cos there are plenty of people in here who can hold decent discussions purely about music. (or else you could argue with me face to face and see what happens....as you said, us Irish love a fight!!! )

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Originally posted by djpaulc Please read my original post again. You will find that all along I am talking about 'America's teenage music-buyers as represented in the media', not every American, far from it.

Who cares what teenagers listen to here? Do you think that teens provide the foundation for what everyone listens to here? I'd be much more inclined to think that people in their late teens and early twenties are doing a pretty good percentage of the music consumption than teens. I know I spend a LOT more money on music now than I did when I relied on my parents for money.

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Originally posted by djpaulc Ireland.........England.......yeah I can see how they are similarly named!!

Actually, I was referring to Northern Ireland and Ireland. I don't think I mentioned England at all.

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I wanted people's opinions, especially Americans, on if they think edm will ever break the mainstream market in the U.S. I said that judging from ONLY the media's perspective of the American teenage music buyers, it does not seem that edm stands a chance.

Then why did you make an exclamatory statement as your subject (Why EDM will NEVER break america...imo!) rather than ask a question?

The major problem that I had is that your original post was laden with stereotypes about what you think of the American public's musical interest based on media presentation. I'll agree, PROPORTIONALLY, there are less EDM fans here than in many other places around the world. A lot of the previous responses contribute to this (lack of radio play because of difficulty placing ads, disco's reputation here, age restrictions for clubs, etc.) However, there are a lot of EDM fans in the US. Come out to clubs in this country's larger cities and you'll see that. L.A., New York, Miami, San Francisco, even places Texas, to name a few, have very large EDM communities.

If you want to rely on media presentation rather than reality, go for it. Your perception of the EDM scene in America is pretty meaningless anyway. It's not like we're discussing politics or anything with any real repercussions because of their misportrayal.

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(or else you could argue with me face to face and see what happens....as you said, us Irish love a fight!!! )

Grow up. Who are you, George Bush?

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Actually, I was referring to Northern Ireland and Ireland. I don't think I mentioned England at all.

...........you really are a lot slower than I thought. I really couldnt' be arsed explaining what i meant but at you did mix Ireland up with England with one of your stereotypes.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Then why did you make an exclamatory statement as your subject (Why EDM will NEVER break america...imo!) rather than ask a question?

To grab attention to the thread. And as far as I am concerned it got enough people looking at it to give me a good idea of peoples opinions. But thanks for askin anyway.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Grow up. Who are you, George Bush?

You really aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer are you? The face to face arguement was a fucking joke...honestly, I'm sick of wasting my time arguing with serious, unwitty people like you.
Lets just argree to disagree and leave it at that.

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Originally posted by gouuryella Agreed on that. I think that EDM should stay underground and especially trance. I dont want EDM to become to popular, because then producers will more focus on making catchy song that most of listeners want to listen. When that happends then we are screwd.

NEWS FLESH!
It already happened
Armin - Shivers
Tiesto - Last album + other sucky stuff
Ferry - Last album
Oakie - fuck him he's a sellout long time
M.I.K.E - Have'nt heard any good from him lately
Matt Deary - The omg cheeze producer
PvD - Same
ect.

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Originally posted by Soeder Like Rap isn't assosiated with drugs???

indeed and worse things, such as violence

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Originally posted by The Drow NEWS FLESH! It already happened Armin - Shivers Tiesto - Last album + other sucky stuff Ferry - Last album Oakie - fuck him he's a sellout long time M.I.K.E - Have'nt heard any good from him lately Matt Deary - The omg cheeze producer PvD - Same ect.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Social outcasts are often of the opinion that they must have a drink before being able to loosen up with their inhibitions, thus being able to have a good time. There's a word that sums up this sort of behaviour, and that word is 'reject.'

Americans are posers... hate to say it but its true... unless 50 cent does a colab with tiesto then its going to stay that way...

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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_

huh? there are other ways to say that I don't agree.

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