u guys need to stop getting into a pissing contest over this. everything cant fit perfectly into a genere, but poeple do try so leave it @ that

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thats dumb alot of genres are hybrid yo ucan call almost anything electro with an explenation you can call those electro elements kraftwerk can be defined as pure electro

Gee, sometimes i feel like talking to a wall damn't...



and kraftwerk are not f8cking "pure" electro...in america they were calling them "euro-tech"...you can call them what you want "computer-cyber-electro-minimalistic-neo-apocalyptic-retro-futuristic-clickyacomputerisstuckinmyass" whatever but kraftwerk historically were part of the more general and highly experimental Kraut-rock movement with acts like Can, Neu!, Faust and Tangerine Dream, well yes they were proto-electronic (ahhh some genre teasing there) with the bleeby sequencers and stuff but so where Vangelis(Spiral) and Jean Michael Jarre(Equinoxe) in some of their albums way before Kraftwerk but hardly can some-one as classify them as purreee electro FGS!!!

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit for instance freestyle dance from the 80s with teh cow bells and synth hits you can call those electro elements

The cow bells were used a lot in electro. Not much now. The synth hits weren't used in electro very much. Actually i'd say they weren't used much at all in Electro. Mostly Freestyle. But the reason for the similarities between Freestyle and Electro is that Freestyle came directly from electro.

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sebastian ingrosso's remix of euro has those cowbell hits which give it taht electro touch

The cowbell isn't an element of Electro. It was used a lot in the early to mid 80's...sure. But that doesn't mean every track with that sound is electro. Because I know many Electro tracks that don't have that cowbell sound. And if Electro can exist without the cowbell sound, then that means the cowbell sound isn't an element of Electro. Maybe sebastian and ingrosso have those cowbells, but everything else in their tracks makes them house.

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miss kitten's simple jabbing track style have electro elements bassline percussion etc

A bassline isn't an element of Electro. A lot of electro doesn't even have a bassline, especially before '85 or '86. I haven't heard any Miss Kitten songs with electro percussion.

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kraftwerk can be defined as pure electro

After '76'-'77 yeah. Before that their stuff was...more Krautrock influenced. They were always sampling guitars and what-not.

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Hay man LOOOOOOOOL please stop that stupid "im an electro professor" you've started there loooll...i mean "cowbells are electro", "kraftwerk were krautrock in the beginning but than became electro?" I'm sure that if you've asked kraftwerk back then if "they are electro" they will respond as "is "electro a food"? as i told you there are no real genres (u made a laugh of that) there are only genre-agreements created by...hmm...the press, the press, oh!the artist, the press, the press, if "cowbells" is your genre agreement of electro than just keep it for yourselves and stop preaching everyone else about the true pure containing-cowbells electro-in-the-past-which-are-absent-now-so-its-slightly-different-cowbell-free-synth-hit-free-electro

I'm literally forcing myself to give a shit yet find myself incapable.

hahahh

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Originally posted by Ishkur I must say, that in addition to being one of the five Istari, Aiwendil knows his music.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Hay man LOOOOOOOOL please stop that stupid "im an electro professor" you've started there loooll...i mean "cowbells are electro", "kraftwerk were krautrock in the beginning but than became electro?" I'm sure that if you've asked kraftwerk back then if "they are electro" they will respond as "is "electro a food"? as i told you there are no real genres (u made a laugh of that) there are only genre-agreements created by...hmm...the press, the press, oh!the artist, the press, the press, if "cowbells" is your genre agreement of electro than just keep it for yourselves and stop preaching everyone else about the true pure containing-cowbells electro-in-the-past-which-are-absent-now-so-its-slightly-different-cowbell-free-synth-hit-free-electro

Isn't that special.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil A bassline isn't an element of Electro.

that is incorrect


and as for synth hits

take a look at afrika bambaataa for instance (arthur baker was influeced by kraftewrk its evident ) but still he has some tracks that are very electro


freestyle did not come directly from electro.. it is a derivation of early 80's pop and electro as well, heavily influeced by arthur baker

you can look at artists like information society who perfected the stutter looping style which is also prevelant in italo disco. This is also defines freestyle that did not come from electro but instead 80's synthpop as well.


musical influences are taken from everywhere you cannot simply say a track is ELECTRO you can say its electro because of these elements etc you cannot dismiss and say NO its not electro because one electro track has this yet another doesnt..


if any of this made sense lol

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit that is incorrect

Just look at what you're talking about yourself. Where's the bassline in Planet Rock?



The synth hits in Freestyle came from Disco..yes. And it's influenced by other things i'm sure. But Electro was the main one. NYC was the hottest place for Electro in the world when Freestyle emerged there. And a lot of tracks were straight ripoffs of Electro hits.

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musical influences are taken from everywhere you cannot simply say a track is ELECTRO you can say its electro because of these elements etc you cannot dismiss and say NO its not electro because one electro track has this yet another doesnt..

If you say sebastien and ingrosso are electro because of this one electro element, and I prove that what you describe isn't an element of electro, (what makes electro electro) then yes, I can dismiss it. An element of electro is something that all Electro has. All electro doesn't have the cowbell or the synth stab.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Just look at what you're talking about yourself. Where's the bassline in Planet Rock?

yeah it hits with the bass kick and its just bass stabs (key element in electro to give you that pop lock feel)

to say that electro doesnt have bassline is absurd.. it is more subtle. the bassline guides any track.. to make it stabby and short will give you that type of groove in the music.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil The synth hits in Freestyle came from Disco..yes. And it's influenced by other things i'm sure. But Electro was the main one. NYC was the hottest place for Electro in the world when Freestyle emerged there. And a lot of tracks were straight ripoffs of Electro hits.

yes i didnt disagree with you on that i just said that freestyle did evolve to incorporate different things look at artists like information society as ive said before. you dont see alot of those hi end sampling techniques in alot of electro.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil If you say sebastien and ingrosso are electro because of this one electro element, and I prove that what you describe isn't an element of electro, (what makes electro electro) then yes, I can dismiss it. An element of electro is something that all Electro has. All electro doesn't have the cowbell or the synth stab.

it is an element of electro since alot of electro judging by what you say about freestyle having a huge influence from electro (which i agree with you on) the cowbell is prevelant in all freestyle and alot of electro so i would say this is an element of electro

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit yeah it hits with the bass kick and its just bass stabs (key element in electro to give you that pop lock feel) to say that electro doesnt have bassline is absurd.. it is more subtle. the bassline guides any track.. to make it stabby and short will give you that type of groove in the music.

Planet Rock doesn't have a bass line. You know...a bass melody. Or a sound that runs for an adequate amount of time through a track in a bass frequency. Besides the kick. The kick is percussion. I didn't say Electro doesn't have a bassline. I said a lot of Electro doesn't have a bass line. Take Rhythim Is Rhythim - Strings Of Life. Derrick himself made a big deal over how such a track with no bassline could be such a big hit. So a bassline doesn't guide "any" track...

This Electro has no bassline, no cowbell, and no synth stabs
This Electro does have a bassline, a cowbell, and synth stabs

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you dont see alot of those hi end sampling techniques in alot of electro.

Hi end sampling techniques?

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it is an element of electro since alot of electro judging by what you say about freestyle having a huge influence from electro (which i agree with you on) the cowbell is prevelant in all freestyle and alot of electro so i would say this is an element of electro

Shrug. I already explained why you're wrong.

I mean. Maybe those cowbells were prevalent in electro. Maybe they were even first used in electro. But the cowbell is also in a lot of early house and freestyle and detroit techno. So if the cowbell is an element of electro simply because it's in some electro tracks, then I suppose the cowbell is also an element of techno and house and freestyle because it's in some of those kind of musics as well. The cowbell is just a sound used to add a little more spice to a track. It's not an "element" of any genre, I don't believe. Meaning if you take the cowbell out of electro, you still have electro, usually.

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