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Originally posted by burner69 Don't take drugs + An ok/poor set + little enthusiam = crap night Don't take drugs + A good/amazing set + properly going for it = amazing night Take drugs + An ok/poor set + little enthusiam = Good night Take drugs + A good/amazing set + properly going for it = Amazing night People who don't drop have to put in more effort to enjoy themselves, so arguably they are more committed, there more for the music than the experience.

Interesting point, it is true that there have been nights where the music hasn't been as good as it could have been and as a result my night has suffered and I havent had a great time, so i can see how drugs would be useful for the experience, i guess they're just a get-out-clause if the music sucks!!

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Originally posted by nchs09 bro not even half of the club is on drugs... dont be naive.

lol ur calling me naive with a statement like that
i hope that was sarcasm

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Originally posted by Kakoroto The fact I don't take them is because of the feeling you would have of listening to Trance or whatever after you effect of the drug has worn off. The music will never feel quite as good anymore unless taking some kind of drug, and in most TA's cases we listen to the music 24/7. I don't want to feel like the music could be so much better if only I were on drug X, because then I would be wanting to take the drug 24/7 as well, which in many cases leads to addiction and being completely fucked up. If you were an occasional listener of the music and only listened to it in the club enjoyed doing them every once and while, then that is different.

sorry but ur talking bullshit i can tell uve never been near any drug in ur life i bet uve never even seen an E.
u dont have the right to make those asumptions u have just made about drugs users if u have never experienced drugs did u read all that crap in a newspaper or something.
Taking drugs opens up ur mind u tend to appreciate the music more

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I really don't see the point of taking drugs to appreciate the music more! I enjoy every second when I am listening to good trance, and when I am out clubbing. I don't discredit the users at all, but to say that the drug is a must to have a killing time at a club is wrong, IMO.

I believe that the ecstasy you get from the full experience when the setting is right; lights, DJ, Banging sound system etc. Is plenty enough... Because you go in to ecstasy, just not a chemically one

Either way I think we all should respect each other for the individual choices made by every person.

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Music, I've only dosed once and I very rarely have more than a single drink when I'm there (and I'm always there for a good 8-10 hours).

Ecstacy definately makes trance more tolerable though.

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As a person who has used before, long ago, I feel I can give a good personal opinion on this subject.

When I was younger, I went to raves here in town because I knew I would be able to find some. I also went because I knew the music was going to be good. Whether or not I did any substances did not determine whether or not I had a good time. I ALWAYS had a good time. The environment is what allowed that.

However, I do think that my experience with substances has (as cliche as it sounds) opened my mind. I chose not to do drugs anymore, because I respect my body (and I'm more educated now than I was back then). Trance has a soft spot in my heart and allows me to think back and remember those times and feelings I had years ago. There are certain things you thinnk/feel when immersed in decibels of loud music and that chemical is going through you. Its definitely an interesting experience.

I do think that there is a huge stereotype, brought upon 100% by the media as of late. I am in the same position with people when they ask me what kind of music I like (and I always say house first and still get asked the question). There's not much we can do about the media situation, however we can start spreading the word (those of us who are sober) that there is a whole lot more to the music than these substances.

Like I said before, Ecstasy has opened up parts of my mind which now are stimulated by Trance music, and so I dont need to do those anymore. And I feel better (physically) now.

Some of this might sound contradictive. I am neither against or for using substances, especially if you are uneducated. Education and moderation are key to just about EVERYTHING we encounter in life.

Ok, I'll end this, it's gotten long, and I could go on forever haha.

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Originally posted by Illuminati I really don't see the point of taking drugs to appreciate the music more! I enjoy every second when I am listening to good trance, and when I am out clubbing. I don't discredit the users at all, but to say that the drug is a must to have a killing time at a club is wrong, IMO. I believe that the ecstasy you get from the full experience when the setting is right; lights, DJ, Banging sound system etc. Is plenty enough... Because you go in to ecstasy, just not a chemically one Either way I think we all should respect each other for the individual choices made by every person.

A very good point. And you're right, having gone clubbing before taking beans, and having friends who go to raves with me without chemi's in them, I can assure you that, yes, you CAN have a killer time at a rave without drugs.

Respect is the key bro, and you got it.

This thread got alot longer than I thought.

Well anyways I guess this is a good time to have a thread like this.

One of my good friends ( also a fellow TA ) is STILL awake and under the influence from G&D's show last night in ATL. Although its very funny talking to him , i just dont see my self going all out like that. But he had fun so its all good, just saying i dont think i would need all that to have a good time.

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Originally posted by burner69 Respect is the key bro, and you got it.

Thanks bro!

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Gonna throw in my 2 cents here.

A bit of background so it's easier to see where I'm coming from:
I've went to clubs sober. I've went to clubs on E. The most I've ever done in one night is one pill though, and I intend to keep it that way (no sense taking unnecessary risks). Regardless of how often I go clubbing, I'd never take E more than once a month - really good, big events come on a monthly basis, so I usually save my enhancements for those.

It's completely right to say you can have an amazing time while sober. However, imagine euphoria as being a staircase. With an amazing set, you can reach the very top stair. With an amazing set + E, you can reach a stair that you didn't even realise existed. That stair is and will be completely invisible to you until you try E once. If sober people could somehow replicate the effect of drugs without taking drugs, there'd be no demand for drugs.

Second reason I'd take E, is because it helps you last longer and makes you forget about the pain in your legs that you'll undoubtedly feel tomorrow. I've never thought "wow, this night is amazing, but it would be even better on E." NEVER, because at that moment I'm sober and the stair is invisible. BUT, I have thought before "Damn, I wish I was on E right now, because there's a cramp in my right leg that's not going away and the DJ is only getting started, and I know that if I was on E I'd only feel the music and nothing else".

BTW, both the #1 and the #2 best nights of this year so far, happened while I was completely sober. So clearly, taking E in no way diminishes your ability to enjoy music afterwards.

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Originally posted by darkSIde i dont think i would need all that to have a good time.

When are people going to understand that others dont take substances to have a good night, they take them to make a good night even better.