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Obviously, social service provision would have to be done in a manner that would curb repeated abuse of and dependency on the welfare system. Some useful restrictions could be:
*A cap on the time (~5-8 years) you can recieve certain benefits
*A maximum age to recieve benefits
*Tie benefits to participation in treatment/education programs

The goal would be to focus on providing youth and young adults (~15-25 years old) who might not have had a good upbringing, or for whatever other reason, has trouble assimilating themselves into society and the workforce. The point would be not to "magically" clean up the streets, but to attack the root of the problem of displaced and neglected youth in Canada.

Those who are motivated, productive members of society who comprise the "elite" will still excel in an environment with low corporate taxes and moderately progressive income taxes. Sure, the incomes of these people will suffer when the taxman cometh, as compared to under a conservative government, but they can afford it. Thus, the basic differentiation between the conservative and liberal policy positions is that
* Conservatives believe that personal wealth should ultimately be retained by the individual. Preferring better economic performance and consequently increased income disparities, in favor of tempered economic growth and a more equal society.
* Liberals believe that a portion of personal wealth (income taxes) should ultimately be used to better those around us. This makes Canada as a whole, more attractive. The downside is that the redistribution of wealth is not an effective use of the money in terms of bang for the buck. Economic growth then is curbed to provide a more egalitarian society. However, such restrictions to economic growth are probably prudent in the Canadian economic climate in order to curb inflation currently experienced due to higher prices of oil, base metals and other primary materials.


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Old Post Dec-21-2005 15:35  Canada
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Abercrombie
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Again, See what I mean folks? ShadoWolf goes on and on.... Still didn't answer my question. Nothing but filibuster.

The more he opens his mouth, the worst he's making his party look.

I guess no one can answer why I should vote for Conservsative candidate Lois Brown.

Is there anyone here who actually knows the Conservative party and answer?

AJ


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Old Post Dec-21-2005 15:55  Canada
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Jayx1
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Registered: Feb 2003
Location: The Socialist People's Republic Of Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Abercrombie
I rest my case. pwn3d. See my point everybody? I never get a straight answer... I get either bashing the Liberals, or no answer. Like these.

How convenient it is, to reply to a question with another question when you don't have an answer. Classic political bull-sh*t.

Like I said earlier, I don't represent myself akin to any party, but all I hear is Conservative candidates and supporters bashing their opponents.

I get the feeling there are people trying to hide something. Is this a matter or trust, like the Conservatives motto is? How can I trust if no one gets to the point?

AJ


Why vote for Lois Brown? Because im confident that i can trust her more than the current MP. She has promised to be a strong voice for our area. She will also represent a party that will do a lot of good for this country as already discussed in this forum. Those are the reasons to vote for her


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Everything in this country is illegal.

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Old Post Dec-21-2005 15:55  Canada
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Abercrombie
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Registered: Sep 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
Why vote for Lois Brown? Because im confident that i can trust her more than the current MP. She has promised to be a strong voice for our area. She will also represent a party that will do a lot of good for this country as already discussed in this forum. Those are the reasons to vote for her


Thank you Jayx1 !!!

Everyone, keep them coming!


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Old Post Dec-21-2005 15:59  Canada
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ShadoWolf
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quote:
Originally posted by Abercrombie
Again, See what I mean folks? ShadoWolf goes on and on.... Still didn't answer my question. Nothing but filibuster.

The more he opens his mouth, the worst he's making his party look.

I guess no one can answer why I should vote for Conservsative candidate Lois Brown.

Is there anyone here who actually knows the Conservative party and answer?

AJ



"Lois has a proven track record when it comes to dealing with people's concerns. As someone who has seen a lot of politicians come and go, Lois is amongst the very best."

Alice Sheridan
Community Activist

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"During the many years I have known her, Lois has impressed me with her genuine warmth, intense interest and concern for others. Equally impressive is the energetic activity she gives for the good of our local community."

Victor Woodhouse
CFP Woodhouse Executive Insurance
Former Councillor, Town of Newmarket

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Lois was born and raised in York Region, the third of eight children.

An accomplished musician, Lois pursued an ARCT degree from the Royal Conservatory of Music in Toronto and for 15 years taught keyboard and Music History. A student of life-long learning, Lois is currently finishing a Bachelor of Arts Degree, with a major in Economics.

For years, Lois volunteered in the political sphere and has participated at the Executive level in both federal and provincial politics. Offered the opportunity, Lois was employed in the office of Frank Klees, both at the constituency level and at Queen's Park.

In June 2003, Lois was successful in securing the Nomination for the Canadian Alliance for the riding of York North. With the merger of the CA and the PC parties, and the reconfiguration of the ridings, Lois stood for nomination for the Conservative Party in the new riding of Newmarket Aurora, in a hotly contested battle.

Seeking other opportunities to serve, Lois was elected to the National Council of the Conservative Party at the National Convention in March of this year. She is one of four Council members for the Province of Ontario.

When a vacancy was created for a Conservative Candidate in Newmarket-Aurora, Lois successfully secured the Nomination.

Lois' volunteer efforts in the community have evolved over the years. She has initiated a number of organizations in the area including a networking group for young mothers and continues to volunteer at Southlake Village Seniors residence. Currently, she is the accompanist for the York Regional Police Male Chorus, a good will endeavour of the Police Force that has performed in Canada and in tours in the United Kingdom. Lois has always used her musical talents in her local church and at festivals, both as a soloist and as an accompanist to vocal and instrumental performers.

Appointed by the Lieutenant Governor to the Council of a Regulated Health College, Lois was elected by the Council to serve as Vice President of the College.

Lois and her husband, Kelvin, own and operate a Consulting Business, assisting companies across Ontario with Risk Management related to Worker's Compensation. Kelvin and Lois have two daughters, Shannon (25) and Kristen (23).


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Old Post Dec-21-2005 16:01  United Nations
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quote:
Originally posted by Abercrombie
Thank you Jayx1 !!!

Everyone, keep them coming!


LOL

All Jay said was that the woman would be "more trustworthy", a "strong voice" and that she "represents a party that will do a lot of good". None of these terms actually mean anything that would be relevant to a debate about issues, the reason to ulitmately vote for a specific candidate!


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Old Post Dec-21-2005 16:04  Canada
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Registered: Feb 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by AwakenedAddict
LOL

All Jay said was that the woman would be "more trustworthy", a "strong voice" and that she "represents a party that will do a lot of good". None of these terms actually mean anything that would be relevant to a debate about issues, the reason to ulitmately vote for a specific candidate!


As i said.. the actual issues regarding the conservative party that she would represent have already been discussed throughly on this board and that those are also reasons she should be elected.


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Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

Old Post Dec-21-2005 16:07  Canada
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Moral Hazard
Oppressing the 99%



Registered: Mar 2005
Location: with the 1%

quote:
Originally posted by Abercrombie
I guess no one can answer why I should vote for Conservsative candidate Lois Brown.

Is there anyone here who actually knows the Conservative party and answer?


AJ, reasons to vote for a candidate are highly personal. The reasons would largely depend on how it is that you decide where to cast your ballot...
You could vote based on who would be the best representative for the interests of your riding, who would do the best job at bringing the needs of Newmarket Aurora to the minds of those in a position to address those needs. If this is the case then you must balance a number of factors primarily surrounding the character of the individual and the leverage they will have in parliament. As I am not following this race I cannot provide any guidence in this regard.

You could vote based on which party you believe has the best agenda for Canada and will produce a Canada closest to what you would like to see four years from now. If voting this way you are voting based on party platforms. You seem informed so I imagine you have reviewed the same and if voting this way have already determined who you think best reflects what you want to happen in this country.

You could vote based on who you think will make the best prime minister. This is also highly subjective as only you can decide who you think would best represent Canada based on the criteria you deem to be important.

Finally, you could vote based on which party you believe best represents your particular interests. If the most important thing to you is a GST cut then vote Brown, if you're interested in nationally subsidised child care then vote Stronach, if your primary consideration is the legalization of pot then vote for the Marajuana party candidate, etc.

No one can tell you how to vote or even guide you unless they know what is important to you and how you base your vote. Quite frankly, anyone interested in democracy shouldn't be trying to tell you why you should or should not vote for or against someone. You know what matters to you and how to determine which candidate will best address that which you deem important. Don't listen to what anyone tells you, your reasons need to be your own.


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lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

Old Post Dec-21-2005 16:19  Canada
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Moral Hazard: Great response. Thank you. All votes are personal. However we are all voting for candidates on our ballots. How we decide to vote on our candidates is up to us, whether it's just because they're affiliated with a certain party, or because of their background and experience to do a good job to represent me and my community. I've heard a lot on the former, but would like to hear the latter.

OK, so far from the responses I got;

1) promises a strong voice
2) trustworthy
3) deals well with people's concerns as supported by a community activist
4) well regarded by a former city councillor
5) accomplished musician, student and teacher of music
6) High School diploma (currently studying for a BA)
7) volunteered, participitated and worked for Frank Klees
8) lots of volunteer experience, sings and plays a lot of music
9) appointed then elected to serve as Vice President of the College.
10) co-owns a consulting business with her husband.


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Old Post Dec-21-2005 16:44  Canada
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11) represents a party with good public policy for change.


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Originally posted by jester
Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

Old Post Dec-21-2005 17:50  Canada
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Moral Hazard
Oppressing the 99%



Registered: Mar 2005
Location: with the 1%

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
11) represents a party with good public policy for change.


good is subjective, since you are not the judge (regarding AJ's vote) you cannot state this objectively.


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you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

quote:
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lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

Old Post Dec-21-2005 17:53  Canada
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quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
good is subjective, since you are not the judge (regarding AJ's vote) you cannot state this objectively.


Exactly, thank you for putting into words what, for some reason, I could not.


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Old Post Dec-21-2005 18:00  Canada
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