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Originally posted by est OK, so Adam and Eve were chucked out of Eden, then they had 2 sons Cain and Abel. How did they manage to spawn off anybody else from that? Unless they had sex with their mother...

... i'm not sure if i should be taking your question seriously. you know that story isnt to be taken literally right? its symbolic

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Originally posted by D-res ... i'm not sure if i should be taking your question seriously. you know that story isnt to be taken literally right? its symbolic

hehe ok point taken...these are just things that cross my little mind. As for your question about whether human suffering fits in with a belief in God, believers often explain that away as God's test of our faith/punishment for sin, etc.

You've probably already realised this isn't a debate I can contribute very much to though.

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Originally posted by D-res ... i'm not sure if i should be taking your question seriously. you know that story isnt to be taken literally right? its symbolic

Try telling that to the 45% of Americans who believe that "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so."

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Originally posted by Renegade Try telling that to the 45% of Americans who believe that "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so."

Apparently this is a rough draft God sketched out before coming out with the final version:



We could have been so much cooler.

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Originally posted by occrider We could have been so much cooler.

Hell yeah, no need for pants.

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Originally posted by D-res i was never a big PDD guy but what can i say? im just a quality thread starter

and modest too

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Originally posted by Renegade Try telling that to the 45% of Americans who believe that "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so."

i dono.. i think either their data is fucked up, biased or just incomplete/incorrect


i have met one person in my entire life who believed that, and this is a very regular topic when drunk at parties. my mom is the type of person who takes a lot of the bible literally, but she thinks that claim is stupid. our priests do too. catholic churches are famous for glorifying the stories in the bible as cold stone fact, but even our priests agree that the adam & eve story is simply symbolic and that you can't argue with carbon dating. that God has simply played a role in the evolution of man. the think us evolving from single celled organisms to monkeys to this is stupid, but they do believe in humans being around for millions of years and evolving at least mentally and technologically.

People that don't believe in God would say:

God is for the mindless sheep that don't have a mind of their own

People that believe in God would say:

For those who believe, no explanation is necessary

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Over the last few years, my family has come through really trying times, and besides that, I feel like I've gotten a lucky break in life wheN I thought the shit was gonna hit the metaphorical fan way too many times to be pure coincidence. So yeah. Faith is a good thing to have, I'm all for science, and damn if those creationist nuts get into any classroom I participate in, but faith gives people hope, and for me, that's enough.

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Originally posted by D-res ...catholic churches are famous for glorifying the stories in the bible as cold stone fact, but even our priests agree that the adam & eve story is simply symbolic and that you can't argue with carbon dating.

In recent times, the Catholic Church has actually been more willing to accept and place itself in a separate role to science... Maybe the Vatican learned from all that Gallileo business. I dunno but the vast majority of the literalists seem to come from the Protestants. In fact most of the crazy shit seems to be comening from the Protestant fundamentalists in the US these days (star wars and harry potter are evil, dance music is the devil's work, Asian Martial Arts all involve Satanic rituals etc..). Must have something to do with the historical echoes of Puritanism or some shit.

PS.
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"Because it could so easily lead to dancing"

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Originally posted by astroboy PS. "Why are Baptists opposed to pre-marital sex?" "Because it could so easily lead to dancing"

oooooh snap!

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Originally posted by astroboy In recent times, the Catholic Church has actually been more willing to accept and place itself in a separate role to science... Maybe the Vatican learned from all that Gallileo business. I dunno but the vast majority of the literalists seem to come from the Protestants. In fact most of the crazy shit seems to be comening from the Protestant fundamentalists in the US these days (star wars and harry potter are evil, dance music is the devil's work, Asian Martial Arts all involve Satanic rituals etc..). Must have something to do with the historical echoes of Puritanism or some shit.

yeah i've noticed the catholic religion seeming to lighten up a bit. the protestants on the other hand... i don't even know what to say. this thread is dying though and i can't think of anymore good discussion topics so i'm just gonna call it quits and venture into the PDD for the first time in months