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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Delerium & Sarah, actually. And it's not a trance classic just because the Tiesto remix might be.

the point is both tracks were written by someone else and both were hits when they were trance records.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I haven't actually directly addressed anyone in a negative way for quite a few posts now. My point is that a genuinely comprehensive collection of unmixed trance classics would be an awesome thing to own, but the likelihood is that it'll be anything but, yet it'll give itself the pretentious title of "Classics" to sell a few more copies.

your over-crtical and provocative posts arent welcomed by most of the people interested in threads like these. your general "know-it-all" attitude upsets and annoys people. we have all been made quite aware of your opinions, we are all arare that the chances are you won't like this cd. whether or not your negativity is directed at any particular individual is irrelvant, it's quite clear what message you are trying to convey and it isnt what people here want to hear. Trance music isnt the only important thing in everyones lives, not everyone has been listening to it for as long as others might have been and so of course not everyone will be as knowledgable as others about the history of trance music. But why does that matter? People who listen to A state of trance style music listen to it because they love it, they dont need anything more, they dont need something different. i cant see how anyone can justify being critical of that. It's been said so many times. If you don't like something then don't buy it. Instead of throwing a tantrum and going off on one about how you and your musical tastes are so much more advanced and clever than everyone elses, just let them be. It's not the quality of the music that is destroying the trance community as much as the negativity and competition amoungst the people who listen to it. There is no longer a close knit community as such because there are so many negative opinions and so much hatred towards other peoples preferences contaminating it. There are ways of being critical without being provocative. If you really feel the need to criticise something you havnt even heard yet then doing so in a bit more of an adult and respectful manner would be appriciated by everyone here im sure.

At the end of the day, it's not achieving anything. You moaning about a kind of music you don't like isn't going to change the fact that it exists. You are upsetting people and offending them by critisising their tastes in music. Like I said, it's by no means just you, and this is directed at alot more people than just you.

Mike

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle your over-crtical and provocative posts arent welcomed by most of the people interested in threads like these. your general "know-it-all" attitude upsets and annoys people. we have all been made quite aware of your opinions, we are all arare that the chances are you won't like this cd. whether or not your negativity is directed at any particular individual is irrelvant, it's quite clear what message you are trying to convey and it isnt what people here want to hear. Trance music isnt the only important thing in everyones lives, not everyone has been listening to it for as long as others might have been and so of course not everyone will be as knowledgable as others about the history of trance music. But why does that matter? People who listen to A state of trance style music listen to it because they love it, they dont need anything more, they dont need something different. i cant see how anyone can justify being critical of that. It's been said so many times. If you don't like something then don't buy it. Instead of throwing a tantrum and going off on one about how you and your musical tastes are so much more advanced and clever than everyone elses, just let them be. It's not the quality of the music that is destroying the trance community as much as the negativity and competition amoungst the people who listen to it. There is no longer a close knit community as such because there are so many negative opinions and so much hatred towards other peoples preferences contaminating it. There are ways of being critical without being provocative. If you really feel the need to criticise something you havnt even heard yet then doing so in a bit more of an adult and respectful manner would be appriciated by everyone here im sure. At the end of the day, it's not achieving anything. You moaning about a kind of music you don't like isn't going to change the fact that it exists. You are upsetting people and offending them by critisising their tastes in music. Like I said, it's by no means just you, and this is directed at alot more people than just you. Mike

God, well said, this site has just turned into people that think their taste in music is so much more sophisticated than anyone else. (I'm talking about the people that you look at their profile and theres like 10-15 posts a day - well, some not all of them)

Don't like asot? no one cares, big deal, dont need to rave on and whinge about how much pvd, tiesto, armin, ferry suck nowdays (as dj's and producers)...

I bet most of the people that complain like that know jack shit about music (i mean the theory part of it, not jsut what a "breakdown" is)...and are just shitty dj's that play other peoples tracks...

In short, shut up no-one cares! Go outside and just enjoy yourself. Theres more to life then why pvd uses vocals, what the real definition of a classic is, and who writes tiesto's tracks.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle your over-crtical and provocative posts arent welcomed by most of the people interested in threads like these. your general "know-it-all" attitude upsets and annoys people. we have all been made quite aware of your opinions, we are all arare that the chances are you won't like this cd. whether or not your negativity is directed at any particular individual is irrelvant, it's quite clear what message you are trying to convey and it isnt what people here want to hear. Trance music isnt the only important thing in everyones lives, not everyone has been listening to it for as long as others might have been and so of course not everyone will be as knowledgable as others about the history of trance music. But why does that matter? People who listen to A state of trance style music listen to it because they love it, they dont need anything more, they dont need something different. i cant see how anyone can justify being critical of that. It's been said so many times. If you don't like something then don't buy it. Instead of throwing a tantrum and going off on one about how you and your musical tastes are so much more advanced and clever than everyone elses, just let them be. It's not the quality of the music that is destroying the trance community as much as the negativity and competition amoungst the people who listen to it. There is no longer a close knit community as such because there are so many negative opinions and so much hatred towards other peoples preferences contaminating it. There are ways of being critical without being provocative. If you really feel the need to criticise something you havnt even heard yet then doing so in a bit more of an adult and respectful manner would be appriciated by everyone here im sure. At the end of the day, it's not achieving anything. You moaning about a kind of music you don't like isn't going to change the fact that it exists. You are upsetting people and offending them by critisising their tastes in music. Like I said, it's by no means just you, and this is directed at alot more people than just you. Mike

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its the down fall of what was once a friendly TA.... it never used to be this bad few years back.......

I heard most of the songs from the classic set on ASOT 250 will be on this. Out of the 40 tunes that are supposed to be on this....if 5 are useable....that pretty much means you are paying normal market price (20 euro = 4 euro per tune). chances are there will be alot more than just 5 tunes that eill mske this worth PAYING FOR. Of course the leetists will complain about the 5 tunes out of the 40 that they dont like.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle your over-crtical and provocative posts arent welcomed by most of the people interested in threads like these. your general "know-it-all" attitude upsets and annoys people. we have all been made quite aware of your opinions, we are all arare that the chances are you won't like this cd.

Actually, this is incorrect. Where have I said that:

A) I won't like this CD.
B) I do not like ASOT related trance by default.

Not just in this thread, but ever? You're very quick to label me the pointless cynic. Believe it or not, I do like modern trance, ie: everything epic and post-epic provided it is done well. Like almost everyone else branded as a "know-it-all" and a cynic, I'm merely exercising standards.

If the tracklist is good I will probably buy this because I'm always looking for unmixed trance on CD. However, the issue here is not the quality of the music, it's whether or not Armin will have the balls to do a more comprehensive "classics" disc (and this has got fuck all to do with my opinion of a classic- if he's not going to include any tracks from an era then he's not compiling a comprehensive disc) instead of playing it safe.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Actually, this is incorrect. Where have I said that: A) I won't like this CD. B) I do not like ASOT related trance by default. Not just in this thread, but ever? You're very quick to label me the pointless cynic. Believe it or not, I do like modern trance, ie: everything epic and post-epic provided it is done well. Like almost everyone else branded as a "know-it-all" and a cynic, I'm merely exercising standards. If the tracklist is good I will probably buy this because I'm always looking for unmixed trance on CD. However, the issue here is not the quality of the music, it's whether or not Armin will have the balls to do a more comprehensive "classics" disc (and this has got fuck all to do with my opinion of a classic- if he's not going to include any tracks from an era then he's not compiling a comprehensive disc) instead of playing it safe.

So Armin goes all leet on us and puts out a CD of "comprehensive" classics that most people have not heard or know of....that still leaves people in the position of trying to find the full unmixed versions of standard classics. I would rather have a CD of 40 standards and maybe the second compilation of classics can be a bit more comprehensive. Thats my opinion.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Actually, this is incorrect. Where have I said that: A) I won't like this CD.

well if you could take the chance to eat your hands if it turns out to be bad its pretty much a sign that you wont like this cd even if you did not mean the eat part seriously i hope..

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Originally posted by Durrrtysouth So Armin goes all leet on us and puts out a CD of "comprehensive" classics that most people have not heard or know of....that still leaves people in the position of trying to find the full unmixed versions of standard classics. I would rather have a CD of 40 standards and maybe the second compilation of classics can be a bit more comprehensive. Thats my opinion.

Er... I think you miss the point. There are plenty of early 90s tunes you should have heard of, and are not scary and boring at all:

Age of Love
Stella
Café del Mar
Dark & Long
Love Stimulation

...for example. There's no such thing as "standard" classics. These tracks are all important to the development of trance and they aren't bad tracks. This is my point: it gives people the opportunity to hear classics they might not otherwise because of their age. That's surely the point of "classics" discs- to let you catch up with the past? From what's been said here it seems like you all just want a bunch of recent and easily-obtainable tracks put on one compilation. I mean, there's four discs to fill.

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Originally posted by trancedanne well if you could take the chance to eat your hands if it turns out to be bad its pretty much a sign that you wont like this cd even if you did not mean the eat part seriously i hope..

I said if it's comprehensive. Not bad. Again, that doesn't say anything about what I think about ASOT related tracks.

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Ok, now you have me confused...because the tunes you just mentioned I consider "standard" trance classics.

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Originally posted by Durrrtysouth Ok, now you have me confused...because the tunes you just mentioned I consider "standard" trance classics.

Yeah. Of course they are. So why not include some other classics from the same era? Some Dance 2 Trance, Hardfloor, Union Jack, Resistance D, Spicelab, Visions of Shiva? Some tracks which are classics, but because they're old a lot of people aren't as familiar with as they would be with Offshore, 1998, Out of the Blue, Communication, Netherworld and so on.

This is what I'm saying. I really hope Armin doesn't bias his tracklist towards the modern era and bypass all this great stuff. However, I doubt it because there's more money in the newer stuff. People are jumping down my throat about my "opinion" of a classic for no reason.

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> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J However, the issue here is not the quality of the music, it's whether or not Armin will have the balls to do a more comprehensive "classics" disc (and this has got fuck all to do with my opinion of a classic- if he's not going to include any tracks from an era then he's not compiling a comprehensive disc) instead of playing it safe.

There will be 2 major factors when it comes to compiling this CD and it doesn't have anything to do with Armin having the balls to do something at all.

First it depends on what Armin himself considers to be a classic not anyone else’s opinion, be it your definition of era’s of trance or my own it could be considerably different to his.

Most importantly it will come down to licensing issues and whether the artist will give him permission to use their tracks or if labels have gone bust or do not exist anymore to provide permission to use these tracks.

To me you are just talking crap, I can’t believe that a company is putting out a 40 track unmixed CD and there is 6 pages of bullshit and moaning without an official tracklist to even base your criticism on.

I will be looking forward to this and I’m sure it will be a good addition to any dj or easy listener’s collection.