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Originally posted by Taub It wasn't such a great idea to make a jewish state surrounded by all muslim states. Those countires who made that decision after WWII didn't think very well.

the decision was made way before wwII (see: the bible and its corollary, the balfour declaration).

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Originally posted by Konijn the balfour declaration

Arthur Koestler on Great Britain's Balfour Declaration: "one nation solemnly promised to a second nation the country of a third."

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Originally posted by Konijn the decision was made way before wwII (see: the bible and its corollary, the balfour declaration).

As far as I knew, Palestinians inhabited the area for the longest, while Jews were more of a nomadic, migrant, tribal people for years and years, no?

Wasn't it only because of US Aid that Israel even officially became Israel?

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Israeli children sends gifts to Lebanese children:





Israeli girls write messages on a shell at a heavy artillery position near Kiryat Shmona, in northern Israel, next to the Lebanese border, Monday, July 17, 2006. (AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)

Lebanese children receive them:



Someone just emailed this to me. Pretty fucked up. The pictures speak for themselves.

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Originally posted by Blake As far as I knew, Palestinians inhabited the area for the longest, while Jews were more of a nomadic, migrant, tribal people for years and years, no?

like most nationalistic projects, the idea of a "palestinian" as a discrete citizen of contiguous nation didn't exist prior to the 19th century. that being said, the forebears of the palestinians today did loosely occupy the general area -- an area which incidentally ranges from syria to saudi arabia. if claims are made, then these people seem to have a greater sway over land titles than jews who mostly fled europe and arrived post-1948.

if you want to read a book that will blow apart everything you've ever thought about nationalism or historical land claims, read Benedict Anderson's "Imagined Communities" [Verso].

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Wasn't it only because of US Aid that Israel even officially became Israel?

the u.s. was one of many key players involved in the creation of israel, countries which coordinated a near-unanimous and immediate recognition of the fledgling state. as i mentioned above, the balfour declaration of 1917 essentially promised england's full support for the zionist project in palestine. agreements and movements, both secret and non-, dating back to wwI, laid the groundwork for what the middle east would look like in the years to come [see: the sykes-picot agreement, the creation of trans-jordan, etc.].

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I once heard that the Allies were kicking around the idea of placing Israel in Eastern Siberia, crazy idea right?

Anyhow,

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Originally posted by Blake As far as I knew, Palestinians inhabited the area for the longest, while Jews were more of a nomadic, migrant, tribal people for years and years, no?

To my understanding Palestinians were more nomadic

There is one solution...


Ethnic cleansing.

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Originally posted by Coup Vlad wins. Flawless victory.

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Originally posted by Vlad There is one solution... Ethnic cleansing.

Especially since you yourself are a member of nation which has experienced this.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Especially since you yourself are a member of nation which has experienced this.

Done because he just didnt like them.


On the other hand I think it would do some good to eradicate the problem. If you cant find the root, take out the tree(s).

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Originally posted by Coup Vlad wins. Flawless victory.

Is there anyway out of this problem? A real solution I mean, will diplomacy be enough?

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The scientist cannot capture the whole cosmos in thought. In his mind he makes a kind of microcosm, which we see as an analogue of the cosmos. In this way we try to get a feeling for the whole. The artist, I suppose, gets a feeling for the whole some other way.”

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