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i hate being picky but "neo trance" seems to have more in common with house music than trance music.

you're not totally wrong nor totally right.

trance inspiration = use of synths, which is the reconciliation between the minimalism (no synths) and trance (massive use of synths)

however you're right because this appears to be a genre coming in the continuity of microhouse/ketamine house

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Originally posted by julien2 you're not totally wrong nor totally right. trance inspiration = use of synths, which is the reconciliation between the minimalism (no synths) and trance (massive use of synths) however you're right because this appears to be a genre coming in the continuity of microhouse/ketamine house

i wonder why they choose to call it "trance" when it reminds more of house. maybe trance as a word sounds more hip...

if there is some housish stuff i would concider to be of trancy character it would be the Schulz-style that was popular around 03 but that's the end of the line.

gosh this thread has gone way to offtopic now.

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Originally posted by Whirloop gosh this thread has gone way to offtopic now.

Yeah, what happened to the goa trance or not flame war. :E

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These genre fights can get very disturbing at times. Especially when there is no solution! (and in most of the times this is the case since genres are subjective and ill-defined as hell sometimes. Still, goa and psy was the same...heh.).

And this "neo-trance" think is more related to Akufen's and Matthew Dear's "microhouse/click & glitch" stuff rather then trance, be it old or new...and these "lots of synths", "less synths" is not very good definition since everything is made-up of synths in EDM!

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Originally posted by PETRAN These genre fights can get very disturbing at times. Especially when there is no solution! (and in most of the times this is the case since genres are subjective and ill-defined as hell sometimes. Still, goa and psy was the same...heh.).

The thing is we who embrace the words goa trance and their significance have no problem and need no solution. You're the one who has the problem, so speak for yourself, please.

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everything is made-up of synths in EDM!

Don't be stupid and/or don't misuse the word everything.

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Originally posted by SMC The thing is we who embrace the words goa trance and their significance have no problem and need no solution. You're the one who has the problem, so speak for yourself, please

1)I don't have the problem , because i perceive as goa and psy-trance as equal and interchangable. Your approach though creates further problems, first of all by having to determine what the differences are (with everybody having a different distinction between the two genrers,hence "you guys are not communicating so well, as you implied in a previous post") and second by breaking a well unified genre into two illusory sub-genres, with all the problems that this brings. Don't get me wrong, but genre distinctions are there to help people understand differences. The bad-side of it is that it divides listeners and stereotypes musicians ( every musician has a distinct sound.Categorisations are not actual but "fat", "ill-defined" ways to learn things that we otherwise couldn't.).

It's good to have a categorisation between astral projection and ferry corsten because in the end of the day they sound quite different, even if this distinction would bring hellish consequencies such as boundaries and seperations within music and people. Genre-categorisation is an unwanted needed evil. It's good therefore to have it only in the cases that is actually needed for and not because it's just cool to have another genre and hence create another distinct elite/group of listeners and musicians. True music-lovers would agree with me.

2)You are right . Everything is made-up of synths and drum-machines... lol.

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Originally posted by PETRAN 1)I don't have the problem , because i perceive as goa and psy-trance as equal and interchangable. Your approach though creates further problems, first of all by having to determine what the differences are (with everybody having a different distinction between the two genrers,hence "you guys are not communicating so well, as you implied in a previous post") and second by breaking a well unified genre into two illusory sub-genres, with all the problems that this brings. Don't get me wrong, but genre distinctions are there to help people understand differences. The bad-side of it is that it divides listeners and stereotypes musicians ( every musician has a distinct sound.Categorisations are not actual but "fat", "ill-defined" ways to learn things that we otherwise couldn't.).

When i say goa trance some persons understand goa trance in accordance to what i meant, while others, like you, understand simply psy trance. If i would have said psy trance you still would have understood simply psy trance. Therefore, since you understand the same thing regardless of what i say (because you ignore the fact that a lot of people refer to different things by saying goa or psy), your problem must lie with the very words i choose to use. You keep demonstrating you're the one with the problem.

I suggest you try and enlighten yourself with the understanding of why the words "goa trance" are used in the first place.

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It's good to have a categorisation between astral projection and ferry corsten because in the end of the day they sound quite different, even if this distinction would bring hellish consequencies such as boundaries and seperations within music and people. Genre-categorisation is an unwanted needed evil. It's good therefore to have it only in the cases that is actually needed for and not because it's just cool to have another genre and hence create another distinct elite/group of listeners and musicians. True music-lovers would agree with me.

You're the one breathing elitism telling me how i should categorize. And i don't experience any trouble with the amount of categorization i make use of, if i did i would stop since i, like most people, don't have a desire for trouble.

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2)You are right . Everything is made-up of synths and drum-machines... lol.

So samples and traditional instruments are never used in edm?

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When i say goa trance some persons understand goa trance in accordance to what i meant, while others, like you, understand simply psy trance. If i would have said psy trance you still would have understood simply psy trance. Therefore, since you understand the same thing regardless of what i say (because you ignore the fact that a lot of people refer to different things by saying goa or psy), your problem must lie with the very words i choose to use. You keep demonstrating you're the one with the problem. I suggest you try and enlighten yourself with the understanding of why the words "goa trance" are used in the first place.

Hmmm maybe you tell me why the term "goa-trance" was used in the first place since i clearly haven't understood and probably neither of the posters in the current and previous forum! They were all like "oohh yeeaa bring goa-trance back" but everybody meant a different think by goa-trance!According to Rebel9 for example, "goa-trance" is the more morning Israeli stuff such as Astral whereas Psychedelic are the more european night twisted stuff like Hallucinogen, a theory that i'm aware of. Others like you (from what i understood) state that psy is more modern then 90s goa and suggest to listen to the difference between modern cosma and protoculture to older Astral,MFG,Juno,Transwave etc. etc. etc. (something satupid IMO. Imagine comparing Rank-1s "Awakenings" to Van Dyks "for an angel". They clearly sound like they are in different genres.It's the genre's evolution in time rather then the creation of different genres that contribute)When i ask for a difference nobody gives me a clear answer (only something like are you deaf?Go listen lol).Strangely enough you inform me that goa can also be psy(?!?!?!?). So are you sure that it's only me that doesn't understand why the word goa trance was used in the first place?

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You're the one breathing elitism telling me how i should categorize. And i don't experience any trouble with the amount of categorization i make use of, if i did i would stop since i, like most people, don't have a desire for trouble.

I'm not breathing any elitism, because on the contrary of what you said, i didn't tell you how to categorise i told you NOT to categorise and that "categorisations" are useless. You may not have experienced any trouble with categorisation but unfortunately, many people would be happy to start troubles with categorisations.(Even worst this does not apply only to music...).

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So samples and traditional instruments are never used in edm?

Ok so i restate te sentence. "Synths, Drum-machines and samplers" As for traditional instruments, their use is very limited and rare in EDM.Maybe some house has traditional instruments and maybe some lounge music...(for prog and trance...maybe erm...10 tunes in the whole history of prog and trance!)don't know.It's really rare to be considered as the standard way of making EDM.Samplers are NOT traditional instruments though.

Petran: The thing is if you talk with someone which is into the goa/psy scene and you ask him about goa trance tunes he will not talk about the stuff of today. He will mention the stuff from the mid 90s such as Chi-AD, Gadagong, Laughing Buddha, Astral Projection etc.
As I said, your argumenets about that goa and psy is the same isn't valid to someone which is into the scene. Just head over at isratrance.com and ask them.

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