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Originally posted by Zild House definitely makes sense because at first people would go to the record store and ask the clerk if they had any music that was played at the Warehouse. So then the clerks started putting that type of music together and labeling it 'played at the Warehouse'. Then after a little bit it was just shortened to House. People would come in and ask if they had any new house music. Definitely makes a lot of sense.

Oh come on...

Just imagine: 'Hey, you got that tune I´ve heard last night at Passion?'

It does not work this way.

And yes, as jex said, don´t try to make sense to genre tags.

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Originally posted by paulandrews Oh come on... Just imagine: 'Hey, you got that tune I´ve heard last night at Passion?' It does not work this way. And yes, as jex said, don´t try to make sense to genre tags.

sorry sir but you're an idiot. Anyone who knows anything about the origins of house music would know that the name house comes from when Frankie Knuckles was doing his thing at the Warehouse in Chicago.

Try maybe reading a little bit or watching a few documentaries about the music one of these days.

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Originally posted by Zild sorry sir but you're an idiot. Anyone who knows anything about the origins of house music would know that the name house comes from when Frankie Knuckles was doing his thing at the Warehouse in Chicago. Try maybe reading a little bit or watching a few documentaries about the music one of these days.

You´ve got it wrong, I know the history behind 'house', it was just the way you´ve put it and the usage of the 'record store' example. I don´t think people act like you´ve described - you just don´t come to a store and ask for music you´ve heard somewhere.

What´s more important, though, is that it does not prove that the 'house' tag makes more sense than 'epic trance'. How many house tunes were actually played at Warehouse and how many house tunes do sound like the music that was played there a long time ago?

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Originally posted by gizzymcg Maybe im just a "lesser being" than you and the likes of Ishkur as i fail to see the point at all

I don't know why you put "lesser being" in quotes, seeing as neither I or Ishkur have ever said anything like that. Maybe you're just thick?

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Originally posted by Zild sorry sir but you're an idiot. Anyone who knows anything about the origins of house music would know that the name house comes from when Frankie Knuckles was doing his thing at the Warehouse in Chicago. Try maybe reading a little bit or watching a few documentaries about the music one of these days.

Yes, but that has fuck all to do with what thoughtlessjex is getting at. What he's saying is that "house" was not an adjective in the early 1980s. To label something "house" did not tell you about its sound- only its context.

Which is why people always think that "progressive" means that the music somehow "progresses" within the track, when actually it simply means that the genre labelled "progressive" was a progression in the genre sound- a new sound. It doesn't describe anything about the sound itself, just the context of the sound within the genre.

And this is directly relevant to this debate, where people seem to think that because a track is long, it's epic trance. Just having the quality "epic" doesn't make it epic trance. Think about it- because trance is usually quite long, "epic" seems to be a default state, and therefore a redundant tag. However, epic trance is full of huge drama- it is far more epic than the genre par, and hence the genre name. Because really, long doesn't mean "epic", because many really long trance tracks are extremely subdued. That's not epic- it's just long.

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Fuck it. In the end it is all House music the reason being because of the warehouse.

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Trance killed itself over time...no one person or duo killed trance, they may have added to the new sound but artists followed with the fad. So don't blame 1 person, blame the entire scene...

As for trance now, I don't even bother looking at its releases that's how bad I think it is. All this uplifting crap is the same shit, in my opinion (which ill probably be flamed for), it all has the same sound and structure. The basslines and melodies and arrangments have no imagination, fluffy as the Easter Bunny.

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Originally posted by jupiterone Trance killed itself over time...no one person or duo killed trance, they may have added to the new sound but artists followed with the fad. So don't blame 1 person, blame the entire scene... As for trance now, I don't even bother looking at its releases that's how bad I think it is. All this uplifting crap is the same shit, in my opinion (which ill probably be flamed for), it all has the same sound and structure. The basslines and melodies and arrangments have no imagination, fluffy as the Easter Bunny.

So true.

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Originally posted by jupiterone Trance killed itself over time...no one person or duo killed trance, they may have added to the new sound but artists followed with the fad. So don't blame 1 person, blame the entire scene... As for trance now, I don't even bother looking at its releases that's how bad I think it is. All this uplifting crap is the same shit, in my opinion (which ill probably be flamed for), it all has the same sound and structure. The basslines and melodies and arrangments have no imagination, fluffy as the Easter Bunny.

agreed to that!

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I loled at this thread and "epic trance"



"epic trance" is another definition for "euphoric", "uplifting", "anthemic" and "melodic" (well, there can be "melodic" that is smoother, but still has the main elements of epic)trance. the term "epic" was quoted for the 97 trance who had elements like massive lead-lines and atmospheric breaks as well as a smaller emphasis on the rhythm. These were redundant in its ancestor called progressive trance (LSG), which melodic elements where not THAT over-stated as in later "epic" or "euphoric"trance. "Epic Trance" in another words is the 97-99 sound (a sound that survived later on and became even more dutch-y and anthemic, with the ivention of the "super-saw" lead in the Netherlands).Representative tunes are Agnelli & Nelson- "El Nino", Thrillseekers- "Synaesthesia" etc...


And its stupid to try to define genres based on their subjective emotions that result from the "chord-changes". For one, a melody may sound "epic" but for the other "poppy". Is better to define it by its actual elemets e.g. sounds used, instruments used,if its melodic or rhytmic etc

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i don't knw about that, but i don't really like that mainstream dj sammy type of stuff.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous AndreaCKY772. just. so. dumb.

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yes

dutch trance, supersaw, epic anthem trance, etc.

The original trance was goooood.

Not the Tiesto, Ferry, PVD, Armin crap.