^^ Nice response Cyrus. Funny how ignorant most people are, well, actually it's not funny, it's downright disgusting.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Cyrus King ...its written by people ...

You don't say!

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov And yet you said this: They've been stuck between a rock and a hard place long before Arafat ever entered the picture. Sure he didn't help as much as he should have or could have. But to paint things as a matter of light before he entered and dark afterwards is neglecting to take into account an awful lot.

I agreed with the post before this ^^^. Now about the other
post of mine you quoted that had nothing to do with the 'I
agree Palestinians are used and thought of 2nd class in the
arab world', I stated during the 90's peace accords they finally
had a decent chance at a prosperous future. Investment from
the world was up and it looked like a lasting peace would
finally happen.

But because Arafat didn't like some of the provisions he didn't
sign it and left the peace table, then started the 2nd intifada.
Has the violence helped? Changed what he didn't like in the document?
I would say no. Now there's no investment, or even foreign aid,
they are more isolated, even the other Arab countries have had it
with their Hamas led-governement. Only the Israeli's pissing them
off have they started to give alittle money to the Hamas government
to spite Israel lately.

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And yes cyrus, if you look it up the British let Jews get massacred,
then when they needed bodies for WW2 did they all of a sudden care
and trained jews to fight for them. Once the war was over they were
dropped like a bad habit and weren't protected once again when they
got what they needed. And remember they were outnumbered and surrounded
by hostile Arabs in Palestine.
According to some of it, the constant violence made the world separate
them with one side for jews and one for palestinians, and the rest is
history...

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Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC --------------- And yes cyrus, if you look it up the British let Jews get massacred, then when they needed bodies for WW2 did they all of a sudden care and trained jews to fight for them. Once the war was over they were dropped like a bad habit and weren't protected once again when they got what they needed. And remember they were outnumbered and surrounded by hostile Arabs in Palestine. According to some of it, the constant violence made the world separate them with one side for jews and one for palestinians, and the rest is history...

Forget all the other facts you're ignoring, but the most imporant one is that Palestine was never their property to begin with! That's like saying "hostile Americans surrounding Soviet New York" or something .

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r You don't say!

Most of who probably belong to this group in most likelyhood:

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The Times July 28, 2006 Israel backed by army of cyber-soldiers From Yonit Farago in Jerusalem WHILE Israel fights Hezbollah with tanks and aircraft, its supporters are campaigning on the internet. Israel’s Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists can place supportive messages. In the past week nearly 5,000 members of the World Union of Jewish Students (WUJS) have downloaded special “megaphone” software that alerts them to anti-Israeli chatrooms or internet polls to enable them to post contrary viewpoints. A student team in Jerusalem combs the web in a host of different languages to flag the sites so that those who have signed up can influence an opinion survey or the course of a debate. Jonny Cline, of the international student group, said that Jewish students and youth groups with their understanding of the web environment were ideally placed to present another side to the debate. “We’re saying to these people that if Israel is being bashed, don’t ignore it, change it,” Mr Cline said. “A poll like CNN’s takes just a few seconds to vote in, but if thousands take part the outcome will be changed. What’s vital is that the international face of the conflict is balanced.” Doron Barkat, 29, in Jerusalem, spends long nights trawling the web to try to swing the debate Israel’s way. “When I see internet polls for or against Israel I send out a mailing list to vote for Israel,” he said. “It can be that after 15 minutes there will be 400 votes for Israel. “It’s very satisfying. There are also forums where Lebanese and Israelis talk.” Israel’s Foreign Ministry must avoid direct involvement with the campaign but is in contact with international Jewish and evangelical Christian groups, distributing internet information packs. Amir Gissin, the Israeli Foreign Ministry’s public relations director, said: “The internet’s become a leading tool for news, shaping the world view of millions. Our problem is the foreign media shows Lebanese suffering, but not Israeli. We’re bypassing that filter by distributing pictures showing how northern Israelis suffer from Katyusha rocket attacks.”

Source: Times Online

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller