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Originally posted by Col Then I went to see Tiesto in November and it made me realise how much I still love trance.

Funny. I saw him spin in September and, if anything, it pushed me further from the genre than I've ever been, although to be honest, he did a lot of genre hopping (and key hopping at that ) that night. I respect your opinion, and I'm sure he has the occasional night where he doesn't act and mix like a tool, but my opinion of him as a DJ bombed severely that night. The moment he stepped on the decks, he turned up the gains on the decks enough to deafen, greatly distorting the sound. Luckily someone controlling the master sound in the back turned it down, but by the time the set was half over, we'd heard enough shoddy, careless mixing to leave. As my friends and I started walking the seemingly umpteen million miles to the car, we could clearly hear the music (outdoor show) and that wash up blatantly trainwrecked almost every transition he attempted to pull off. The consistency of his mixing was staggering. Nearly every transition turned into galloping, overlapping beats, which he didn't even bother correcting. For someone of his 'caliber,' especially having sported the #1 spot as long as he did, we were thoroughly disappointed in every facet of his set. The days of mind blowing, flawless, late 90s trance sets are long gone...

At least the other acts of the night were solid.

/rant

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Originally posted by D-res The days of mind blowing, flawless, late 90s trance sets are long gone...

From him or every dj in the world?

His mixing when I saw him at Gods was pretty good...but then again, I'm normally too fucked to notice if anything goes wrong.

Personally, I didn't want a "flawless late 90s trance set"; I'd been listening to some of his sets from 2002 where he dabbled within the boundaries of techno and was hoping for something similar. His set went pretty much exactly in that direction so I was happy. Part of my revived love for trance was thanks to that recent Super8 track that he played - it was just a big supersaw fest of course, but the timing of it and everything just really hit the spot, I went absolutely mental.

Anyway yeah, this isn't about Tiesto...there are enough threads where we can continue this sort of discussion.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery The whole EDM "scene" seems very distant to me now. I was just sitting there wondering what the hell was going on - I couldn't recognize any of the tunes and they all just sounded dull and samey. As a result, I've mostly been listening to old school rock (Beatles)

yeah thats what i wanted to say, but someone wrote it for me so i just quoted what was relevant in my reply.

a couple of tracks caught my attention this year but its literally only a select few. maybe trance has had its day? i mean all the classic melodys and compositions have pretty much been robbed in the past couple of years, theres just not much to churn out anymore, without sounding the same anyway, then theres the remakes *cough*sean tyas*cough*

oh and beatles ftw

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT From him or every dj in the world?

Especially him. Technically, I think anybody with a solid collection of classic old school trance tunes, decent understanding of harmonics, a pair of decks and the ability to beat match and transition well consistently could release a set they recorded in their bedroom, which, by all standards, if had been done by a big name DJ, could be ranked among the decided classics. All they were were good tracks, arranged well, with rock solid mixing and programming.

Theoretically speaking, it could still be done. Unfortunately for the trance heads of today, the music has changed, the crucial DJs of that era have moved on to new genres and new projects, and while some can still put on a hell of a show, not one consistently hammers out the same type of mixes that most people can agree were the defining trance sets of the last decade, albeit, changes in genre, technology and musical tastes can be attributed to that too. It's by no means all the fault of the DJ. It was bound to happen sooner or later, just like it will again and again and again.




...and again.

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Originally posted by D-res Especially him. Technically, I think anybody with a solid collection of classic old school trance tunes, decent understanding of harmonics, a pair of decks and the ability to beat match and transition well consistently could release a set they recorded in their bedroom, which, by all standards, if had been done by a big name DJ, could be ranked among the decided classics. All they were were good tracks, arranged well, with rock solid mixing and programming. Theoretically speaking, it could still be done. Unfortunately for the trance heads of today, the music has changed, the crucial DJs of that era have moved on to new genres and new projects, and while some can still put on a hell of a show, not one consistently hammers out the same type of mixes that most people can agree were the defining trance sets of the last decade, albeit, changes in genre, technology and musical tastes can be attributed to that too. It's by no means all the fault of the DJ. It was bound to happen sooner or later, just like it will again and again and again. ...and again.

Thank God for that!

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! The drive comes when you pitch up these tracks to a trance-serviceable 138 - 140.. although maybe Cobalt will not agree there, I think that they then sound very 1995-96 techno/trance hybrid genre style rather than glitchy

No, I totally agree here. That's part of why I like the stuff; it's versatile over a wide BPM range, and only sounds better the faster you get.

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Originally posted by Cobalt No, I totally agree here. That's part of why I like the stuff; it's versatile over a wide BPM range, and only sounds better the faster you get.

Wicked! i'm glad you agree, cos i was thinking i might've received a flame or two for saying that. Its nice to know someone is on the same page of the textbook.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd! Wicked! i'm glad you agree, cos i was thinking i might've received a flame or two for saying that. Its nice to know someone is on the same page of the textbook.

I've never really been able to slow my tempo down, even though every genre has been slowing since 2000. During the 2002-04 Great Prog Slowdown I would regularly play progressive at +6, and sometimes stopped from going any faster only because it would distort the track.

Some "neotrance" approaches the 130 BPM range, and actually doesn't require as much pushing as sleepy progressive did. It's basically slow trance with new instrumentation. Push the pitch and it blends very well with early-90s German stuff, or even progressive trance.

Alternatively, a lot of it can be played on its own range and blended with house. It's an incredibly flexible and fun sound.

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Originally posted by Clovis In 2006 DJing changed the way I approach EDM completely.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Hehe. Cobalt and Boogard's exchange shows just why neo-trance will get more popular in trance circles. The sheer versatility available. Certainly more so than the epic trance brigade has to work with (beat match, wait for song to play out, do a Jesus pose during breakdwon, beat match next song...)

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