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Originally posted by hardcore trancer do you sit around like a loser all day to see who posts on TRANCEADDICT?? get a life man you are like 36 yrs old.

You are the one that is an idiot and can't add. I am 35 and if you knew so much about me, you would know why I am here all morning while you and Cyrus cuddle with eachother all night long.

:ignored

p.s. see, everytime Cyrus comes around, you do......


Seek some help fellas,

Last edited by LazFX on Dec-29-2006 at 05:22

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Originally posted by Shakka Gosh. You could make the argument that they were much more prepared for what they faced than, I dunno, say, every division that stormed the beaches at Normandy that promptly got mowed over and massacred by artillery and machine gun fire. Oh wait--I forgot--that was one of history's most brilliant military maneuvers. So no, I don't necessarily agree with you that they "aren't good words to be known for." They are true words spoken that have been twisted by the opposition to gain a political upper-hand.

I was waiting so long for the WWII comparison, and lo and behold you didn't disappoint.

Are you wingers tired of trumping up that asinine comparison yet? Invading a hapless dictator by kicking out UN weapons inspectors doing their jobs, taking the eye off of Afghanistan and the ****** who attacked us, failure to secure the borders with much needed troops that was told to him by Generals who knew what the fuck they were talking about on troop numbers, and failure to give the needed armour when it was fucking begged for when our military and civilian heads SAT on their collective asses from those private manufactures waiting to make more armour when called upon while our military gets their fucking chests and limbs blown off,

and you want to continue the comparison to Pearl Harbor and our efforts to stop Hitler from further invasion. Got it, champ. Keep 'em comin.

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As I've said many times before, a good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow (not my quote, of course). To then use hindsight for political gain by criticizing imperfect planning is not honorable nor respectful. To use it for better future planning and constructive criticism, however, is. So please kindly shut the fuck up already. I'm not fooled by your antics and no 8 page reply by you citing every editorial you can get your hands on will change that, IMHO.

Jesus, was that necessary yet? Here, have another citation on the house:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...d=&pagenumber=2

To wit:

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– The Pentagon gave a contract for thousands of the ceramic plate inserts that make combat vests bulletproof to a former Army researcher who had never mass-produced anything. “He struggled for a year, then gave up entirely.” – In shipping plates from other companies, the Army’s equipment manager “effectively reduced the armor’s priority to the status of socks….Some 10,000 plates were lost along the way, and the rest arrived late.” – Going into the war, the Pentagon decided against asking Detroit automakers like General Motors to start making armored Humvees because they would need too much time to set up new assembly lines. But the Pentagon originally under-ordered from its sole contractor, O’Gara-Hess & Eisenhardt, and the company is not expected to reach the Army’s current 550 per month demand for the vehicles until this spring. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/07/i...print&position=

So go ahead and keep quoting that dipshit for all I care. I'm sorry if it gets your panties all bunched up when I tend to disagree with citations such as these and for good fucking reason.

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Happy New Year to you and the Mrs., by the way. Sincerely.

You and your family as well, despite our disagreements.

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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...

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Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC Good post. Too many people are playing monday quarterbackers. Blabbing on and on and on and on and on like 'one general said we needed more than 100k troops blah blah blah' then say 'your military said not to go to war' from that ^^^ one general making a suggestion. And all of a sudden these people are experts on foreign and military affairs lol.

Actually if I recall correctly it was more than just one general that made this suggestion. These suggestions were made consistently to Rummy about troop numbers and the need for firmly marked goals for post-war planning, and he continually dismissed them away:

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"The secretary of defense continued to push on us ... that everything we write in our plan has to be the idea that we are going to go in, we're going to take out the regime, and then we're going to leave," Scheid said. "We won't stay." Scheid said the planners continued to try "to write what was called Phase 4," or the piece of the plan that included post-invasion operations like occupation. Even if the troops didn't stay, "at least we have to plan for it," Scheid said. "I remember the secretary of defense saying that he would fire the next person that said that," Scheid said. "We would not do planning for Phase 4 operations, which would require all those additional troops that people talk about today. "He said we will not do that because the American public will not back us if they think we are going over there for a long war." ...."In his own mind he thought we could go in and fight and take out the regime and come out. But a lot of us planners were having a real hard time with it because we were also thinking we can't do this. Once you tear up a country you have to stay and rebuild it. It was very challenging." http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-2...=dp-widget-news

More can be found here:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0228/dailyUpdate.html
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/...ion/9937387.htm
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9927782.htm

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Oh and if we did release figures on the amount of enemies we kill and arrest, it would be MANY times more than the amount of our casualties, so yes we're fucking 'Them' up.

And that somehow quells the civil war being created how again?

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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...

Wow. People are still defending Rummy to this day? Now that's commitment. There's hindsight vision and then there's incompetance. I would implore people to learn the difference. I doubt I need to resurrect past threads to emphasize the point.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 And that somehow quells the civil war being created how again?

Muslims turning on each other killing muslims. You should
direct your bitching and crying to them to stop killing
each other. Oh and the other muslims like Iran and terrorists
formenting the violence...


"failure to give the armor"

Didn't you whine about republican spending? With the dems cutting
and cutting defense spending leading up to the war of course
the entire military wouldn't have fully armoured and upgraded
hummers and such. Plus stuff like that takes time like the new
vehicles to counter IEDs. You can complain and complaing about
lack of 'planning' for years but point is no one expected the
Iraqis to turn on each other and not be more tolerant of each
other's faith and be more responsible. That whining is 'monday
quarterbacking', "we shoulda did this, we shoulda did that", we
went with what we had and still overran the enemy. Of course
guerilla tactics hurt abit but wtf do you expect, us to drive
around in tanks everywhere all the time? It's improving out there
stop the crying and second guessing, saying the same line for
years, it's old man. Of course everything couldn't have been
perfect, quit nitpicking like a girl...

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Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC Of course everything couldn't have been perfect, quit nitpicking like a girl...

Someone should just blow this thread away, all it's managed to do is display a massive lump of north american ignorance all in one spot. Though I must say, it has diverse scope of ignorance born from a life of luxury, isolation and having never really had to pick up arms to defend your homes or way of life.
I mean really?
When was the last time a north american had to pick up arms to stop their government or a foreign national power from trampling all over them, Mexican-American war of 1845 or the US civil war of 1861?
Shot up a couple of indian tribes once in awhile?

After that its been basically tourism with a gun and uniform, go overseas, shoot up a few people and bomb their stuff, go home again whinge about how the damn foreigners are out there buggering around and wouldnt know freedom if it bit them on the bottom.
Point being. Your personal threat, aside from the normal domestic trouble which is not exactly endemic to the north american countries is quite low and I hardly think Laz's cousins down south are going to muster a big army and annex Texas again any time soon now are they.
No.
Your chances of being electricuted by a lightning bolt are better than your chances of having some madmen in a plane crash a it into your house.
You die from heart disease, car accidents and work related injuries and should you go overseas to some warzone and get shot by someone then youre really not in the same position as a child soldier in Burundi or an arab conscript soldier who's forced by the state to take up arms against their will.
You have the luxury of choice to fight
You have the luxury of going home where things arent a burnt out wreck
You have the luxury of not having to live in the country which has been wracked by war after it all over
You have the luxury of not having to protect your family members directly from enemies in your own backyards.

You can sit there, in your nice house with the electricity on, running water, social services and public infrastructure and complain about how bad it is you look in the international eye of being in a war that doesnt make you "look good". God forbid, you dont "look good" in ugly wars now.
Or be a complete idiot spouting the popular anti-USA rhetoric from people in far off countries you've got about as much in common with as apples do to oranges while you go to a school that hasnt had the crap shot out of it by government forces and the teachers executed in front of you for teaching children like yourself an alternative textbook the state didnt want them doing.

All youre providing is philosophical examples of how you think you can fix reality along with a lot of back-biting, name calling and hair pulling so you think you can validate your point better by getting everyone else ever so angry with you.
How wonderful.
Tommorrow you'll wake up in a 1st world country that hasnt had a foreign weapon fired on it by a foreign enemy in well over 100 years and for all intents and purposes is unlikely during your lifetimes to ever have that happen to you.
Sadly this kind of complacency and luxury has created a wallowing mire of domestic self pity, messes overseas by your own hands you dont have to look at unless you dont turn on the TV and kids running around looking for some self identity with freedom fighters they have nothing in common with because they've never had to fight but think it might be 'cool' to do it one day. I mean really, just who the hell are you trying to impress, no one wants a spoilt rich kid from north america turning up on their doorstep to save their arses in the fight against north america! You're a joke to them like a cartoon on television!

Oh, how hard it all is...
Seriously, help all you want but dont pretend for a second you think you know what its 'all about' from someone elses perspective because you really dont have that luxury or any kind of comprehension.

^^well stated Lilith^^

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I was waiting so long for the WWII comparison, and lo and behold you didn't disappoint. Are you wingers tired of trumping up that asinine comparison yet?

But somehow playing the Vietnam card continues to be on the table. Beautiful.

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Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC ... we went with what we had and still overran the enemy.

+1

And if there weren't a single coalition casualty in this whole multi-year operation, people like Opus would still call it a collossal failure.

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Originally posted by Shakka But somehow playing the Vietnam card continues to be on the table. Beautiful.

And how many times have I played that card? Moreover, how many times have I distinctly stated otherwise? If you do a search, you'll notice that I have deliberately made the distinction between the two. Although I do understand the similiarities, I will continue to make that distinction, so if you're going to make a point about any of my arguments, I would hope they would at least be correct.

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Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...

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Originally posted by DevilDogUSMC You can complain and complaing about lack of 'planning' for years but point is no one expected the Iraqis to turn on each other and not be more tolerant of each other's faith and be more responsible.

But there's the real crux of the problem we're having right now.
Saddam was the wedge between them, keeping them from continuing to do what they've been doing for hundreds of years before.
The unfortunate hope of replacing that wedge with human dignity and liberty didn't happen fast enough before their in-fighting continued like it always had.
Now we're left trying to hammer a new wedge back into place before they tear themselves apart.
That's not to say that they don't want to know peace, however, they've got nothing to compare to when it comes to tolerance, liberty OR human dignity...

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r That's not to say that they don't want to know peace, however, they've got nothing to compare to when it comes to tolerance, liberty OR human dignity...

Intersting....